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    Default Epik Valor with Polk RTi A5 setup (replacing H-100)?

    Thinking about getting an Epik Valor to replace my H-100. Was watching Transformers on HD-DVD last weekend and the first scene really uncovered the deficiencies in my subwoofer. So... it's time to upgrade!

    Anyone have experience with the Valor in an RTi A setup? Or just have the Valor in general? From the response graphs, it should dig 8-10hz deeper with a much flatter response (particularly in the 60-80hz range), and of course have much higher output.

    If anyone wants to steer me away to another subwoofer please do now! :) If there's another subwoofer that'll accomplish that I wish for: extension down to 20hz, great sound quality for both music and home theater, reasonably attractive - please let me know!

    Thanks in advance

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    Can you even get a Valor from Epik anymore ? Might want to check their site as they now list a new series of subs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thsmith View Post
    Can you even get a Valor from Epik anymore ? Might want to check their site as they now list a new series of subs.
    Looking to get one used at this time. Let's assume I can get a hold of one right now :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by thsmith View Post
    Can you even get a Valor from Epik anymore ? Might want to check their site as they now list a new series of subs.
    They're not selling anymore of the older model subs. What they have left they're using for warranty products only. With the Epiks new subs someone must be selling their Valor to get a new Epik sub.


    I would check out Epiks new 18 inch sealed sub if it's in your budget.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menasor View Post
    Looking to get one used at this time. Let's assume I can get a hold of one right now :)
    Check out the avsforum someone is selling their Valor on there.

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    Erik Tracy has one with his RTi setup. Really there's no down side for you in comparison to the H100. It's a nice sounding sealed sub that's great for HT in small to mid-sized rooms. If the price is right get it.

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    menasor, I've had my valor for quite some time now and just love it, this sub pressurizes my room at over 2100 sf very well. watching master and commander was unbelievable, those cannons feel like they're in the room. the incredibles, transformers, ski-dooosh of kung fu panda, iron man and the hulk were all top notch with that sub. and music is equally impressive, very fast and accurate. I only have audessy for my eq and it sounds way better than the price i paid, dollar for dollar, above and beyond my expectations. now i can only imagine if i had it calibrated for my room!! some day i'll figure out how to rew this puppy
    get the valor before someone else snags it

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    I will second sandworms recommendation -seeing as his config is very similar to mine! :D

    The Valor digs low, hits hard, and is quite the musical sub that also does very well for HT.

    But...time marches on and progress continues...keep you mind and ears open to improvements. Yet, if a good deal comes along for older gear...grab it! :)

    H9: If you don't trust what you are hearing, then maybe you need to be less invested in a hobby which all the pleasure comes from listening to music.

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    Thanks for the replies guys! I'm leaning more and more towards it. Anyone hear any bad things about epik sub's longevity? Just a little cautious getting used since there's no warranty

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menasor View Post
    Thanks for the replies guys! I'm leaning more and more towards it. Anyone hear any bad things about epik sub's longevity? Just a little cautious getting used since there's no warranty

    Longevity??? They haven't been in business that long. Did you look at there new line of subs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by leroyjr1 View Post
    Longevity??? They haven't been in business that long. Did you look at there new line of subs?
    The new line... would have to be the Vanquish. How do you think that would compare to the Valor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menasor View Post
    The new line... would have to be the Vanquish. How do you think that would compare to the Valor?
    As soon as I sell my Micropro 4000 I'm going to get the Dynasty.

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    Hm, I'm still concerned about a lack of warranty. Not sure how long these amps last. I'm guessing a pretty long time (like 5+ years)? How does the SVS PB12-NSD stack up against the Valor? Better yet... anything other recommendations in the $500-600 range?

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    *bump* Any opinions of how the a2-300 will stack up against the Valor? I'd guess not near as musical.

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    Can't make a comparison on the two, but I do have an A2-300 and am happy with it. I would guess from comments from owners of the Valor that it might indeed do better with music. Although the Ed does not shine in that department it is not terrible at it. In fact IMHO with the right mains and music that is not too demanding it does quite well. I use old Genesis Physics 320's that are sealed speakers with two 8" woofers and a 4.5" mid that need just a little help that for me the Ed does to my satisfaction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menasor View Post
    *bump* Any opinions of how the a2-300 will stack up against the Valor? I'd guess not near as musical.
    You can still take a gander at Craigsub's list over a tweak city audio. He rated the Valor quite highly for an entry level sealed sub. The eD sub tied with the PB10. The PB12NSD was going to score even higher, somewhere in the mid-90s, but SVS and Craig came to an agreement not to include the sub on the list since he was planning to compete with them. That list is a guide not a gospel, but it's certainly comprehensive.

    If you're still interested in Epik, then give Chad a call and discuss the models and how they compare to the Valor.

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    How's the PC12-NSD? I hear it should be comparable to the PB12-NSD since a Cylinder design will cost less but perform equal or better than a boxed design. I don't believe I've seen it on Craigsub's list though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menasor View Post
    How's the PC12-NSD? I hear it should be comparable to the PB12-NSD since a Cylinder design will cost less but perform equal or better than a boxed design. I don't believe I've seen it on Craigsub's list though
    IDK...the PC12 is now in a 35" cylinder...don't know where the tuning is. I would think it's got similar output and extention to the PB12. You should probably ping techsupport@svsound.com and ask.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Temple View Post
    IDK...the PC12 is now in a 35" cylinder...don't know where the tuning is. I would think it's got similar output and extention to the PB12. You should probably ping techsupport@svsound.com and ask.
    yeah everything I've read leads me to believe they're pretty much equal. interesting...

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    Went and ordered a PC12-NSD in B-stock for only $499. I'm excited!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menasor View Post
    Went and ordered a PC12-NSD in B-stock for only $499. I'm excited!
    Congrats, the PC12 is very close to the old Plus, which I owned and was a hell of a sub.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menasor View Post
    Went and ordered a PC12-NSD in B-stock for only $499. I'm excited!
    Congratulations dude! That's a great price for a good sub! I hope it lives up to (or exceeds) all of your expectations.

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    Congratts Menasor, you have been working steadily at building a nice system.

    Looks like you are almost there with what should be a great sounding set-up, or are there with a 3.1.

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    Thanks for the kind words guys! I'll definitely post pics when I get everything set up.

    Ron, maybe you should come over first. I don't want to go over to your place and get upgraditis from listening to your pc13-ultra :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by apphd View Post
    Congratts Menasor, you have been working steadily at building a nice system.

    Looks like you are almost there with what should be a great sounding set-up, or are there with a 3.1.
    Thanks! Last piece missing is probably an Emotiva XPA-3. My amp is only 2 channel right now and I think the center channel could definitely benefit from more power

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menasor View Post
    Thanks for the kind words guys! I'll definitely post pics when I get everything set up.

    Ron, maybe you should come over first. I don't want to go over to your place and get upgraditis from listening to your pc13-ultra :P
    Yep, you should probably stay away ;)(it's a PB13 in Rosenut). Seriously, I've heard the H100 and it's a nice entry level sub. The PC12 is about 3 times that sub. You're going to love it. Depending on your living situation, your neighbors might not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Temple View Post
    Yep, you should probably stay away ;)(it's a PB13 in Rosenut). Seriously, I've heard the H100 and it's a nice entry level sub. The PC12 is about 3 times that sub. You're going to love it. Depending on your living situation, your neighbors might not.
    3x the sub?? Wow!

    The neighbor that's on the other side of my living room wall actually also has a decent setup from what I've heard, and his bass could get pretty loud. Good thing is that they don't care about the noise levels. However, I have a feeling that if mine's really loud, they would just crank theirs louder to compensate...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menasor View Post
    3x the sub?? Wow!

    The neighbor that's on the other side of my living room wall actually also has a decent setup from what I've heard, and his bass could get pretty loud. Good thing is that they don't care about the noise levels. However, I have a feeling that if mine's really loud, they would just crank theirs louder to compensate...
    I should correct myself, you should get 3 times the H100 below 30hz (about 9-12db, more with room gain) and at least 2x (5 -7db) above 30hz. The H100 drops like a stone around 27-28hz.

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    The beast is here! Here's a bad pic of the setup I took real quick with my iphone before going to work today. Better pics coming soon:



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    Menasor,

    Did you get that clanking sound during calibration taken care of?

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