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    Default Anybody else read this review?

    http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/s...r-faceoff-2007
    Serously, I think the review is absolute crap!

    Here's something taken from the review... "The listening room was Reference System 1, which is a larger room (over 5000 cubic feet) and features a complete room acoustics treatment package from Auralex Acoustics. All of the speakers were, as a result, driven very hard, enabling us to see how they would fare in extreme situations."

    wtf? A 5000 cubic room to listen to Polk Monitor 30 and having the guts saying the speakers were bright? I haven't heard a single Polk speaker that I would describe as "bright". It was bright because they were pushing the speakers to their limit and probably beyond. If these guys are "professionals", why wouldn't they analize the speakers in a smaller room. Obviously the Monitor 30 was not designed for such a big room. We don't buy speaker to hear how they sound in "extreme situations" like they mentioned.

    That's like reviewing the LSi9 being powered by a 3w/ch SET amp and complaining about the lack of bass, control, etc.

    But it was nice to see that Polk did much better than the other speakers. I just think the review was pure BS and none of those speakers should have been reviewed in such a big room.
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    It seems a waste of time when reviews are done this way. I mean, is there any point bothering when kit is reviewed so far out of context... I'm sure a person wanting to fill a 5000 cubic foot room would buy something bigger than monitor 30's!!!

    I never read to much into professional reviews for this very reason. I prefer getting real peoples impressions on equipment in real world environments. CP has been great for this real people, real impressions, in real environments. It's probably why i've been around since 04'.

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    I see AH and I don't waste my time.
    Please. Please contact me a ben62670 @ yahoo.com. Make sure to include who you are, and you are from Polk so I don't delete your email. Also I am now physically unable to work on any projects. If you need help let these guys know. There are many people who will help if you let them know where you are.
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    Audioholics rarely, and I do mean, rarely - produce content worth a ****. While I respect rags of all sorts, Audioholics seems about as misguided as they come, though Stereomojo is a good runner up.

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    Whoa, I didn't know they were hated this much. That entire write up they did is completely flawed from the very beginning.
    I really like 6moons and tnt-audio. TNT love polk speakers.
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    I rarely read that bull**** anyway. Most of it is crap...
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    Quote Originally Posted by organ View Post
    Whoa, I didn't know they were hated this much. That entire write up they did is completely flawed from the very beginning.
    I really like 6moons and tnt-audio. TNT love polk speakers.
    Agreed, 6moons reviews are the best-Stereo Times good also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zero View Post
    Audioholics rarely, and I do mean, rarely - produce content worth a ****. While I respect rags of all sorts, Audioholics seems about as misguided as they come, though Stereomojo is a good runner up.
    add 6 Moons to the list also. Nothing is ever "quite" as good as what they have in their reference system...yeah, right. The bias is so blatant, it's comical. In the gun review world it's called "being married to your equipment."
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    Thumbs down Credibility?

    Audioholics is worthless IMO. I once bought a product on their glowing recommendation, and everything, from the packing, to the build quality, to the results was total nonsense in my estimation. So far from the truth, objectively speaking, that you had to wonder how they could even write such garbage without a very fertile imagination. I could have written that same review before my purchase, without ever testing the product at all, by just saying what I thought would sound good. I have no respect for their review process whatsoever, not an ounce of credibility IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by polkie4life View Post
    It seems a waste of time when reviews are done this way. I mean, is there any point bothering when kit is reviewed so far out of context... I'm sure a person wanting to fill a 5000 cubic foot room would buy something bigger than monitor 30's!!!

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    What does a 5000 cubic foot room look like anyhow?

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    25x25x8.
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    Quote Originally Posted by organ View Post
    Serously, I think the review is absolute crap!
    Really? You went there seeking serious hifi discussion? I think that's analogous to seeking a nice wife in a brothel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Face View Post
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    It wasn't that bad of a review. Just because you do not like their conclusion is no reason to get upset. They even commented the room was large, but since it was acoustically treated it helped remove the room from having side-effects on the testing.

    "The room can play a huge part and I feel it did here too. Especially for the lower priced speakers that were never meant to be in such a large room. The upside is that Gene's room is designed to be as acoustically balanced as possible which should take the room out of the equation."

    It is just data on tested speakers. If you are looking for some inexpensive bookshelf speakers then take it with a grain of salt, add in your own biases, and pick your speaker.

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    Blue,

    Part of the responsibilities you have as a reviewer is to only accept products you can comfortably accommodate. For example, every now and again I pick up the pen and write for a rag or two. Now, I'm not in a big space. In fact, I'm in a small space. Although the room itself sounds terrific, at the end of the day, it's still a small room. What that means is that I have absolutely no business reviewing massive towers that require lots of square footage to perform well. Taking in a group of towers in my situation to write some grand comparison article would flat out be irresponsible, as an article of that sort wouldn't produce much worthwhile data.
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    AH, is a pathetic excuse for an audio forum. They pander to the masses who prefer Bose to anything else. They are just barely a notch above Consumer Reports when dealing with anything audio related (and that's not a good thing).

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarqueKnight View Post
    Really? You went there seeking serious hifi discussion? I think that's analogous to seeking a nice wife in a brothel.
    Good analogy. Like I mentioned before. The ones that I visit often are 6moons and tnt. I normally use the ecoustics search engine and forget the name of sites I visited. I believe this was my first time coming across AH.
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    I'm going to take this personally because I own a set of those...and I agree, they've NEVER sounded harsh or bright to me....and if you read reviews on them....some people complain about the opposite, i.e., that they're weighted toward more bass and a darker speaker, lol.

    A number of weeks ago I walked into a BB...yeah I know..they have awful set-ups and ****ty showrooms. So I auditioned the newer TSI-100s against EVERYTHING in their price range and they kicked all the other 200 plus dollar a pair bookshelves A$$es. They were so much better in every department, highs, lows, mids....'dynamic balance', there was no comparison...trounced Bose, JBL, Klipsch, and whatever else was in there!

    Consumer Reports rated the Sony bookshelf as the best bookshelf...I have a pair of those next to my M30s and they're not even close? Heiney9 is right...these guys just can't be taken seriously.


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    You're upset about AH writing an article about bookshelves with the room being too big, even when they mentioned it was? Okay. That's a fair complaint I guess.

    But, no one. And I mean no one can have that opinion AND praise 6moons. They write so much sh*t! For example, they gave a positive review on Machina Dynamicas Intelligent Box.

    http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/m...amica2/ib.html

    Come on. If you even think about buying that product or think that it could do anything to improve optical discs, you should not be in this hobby. Or allowed to spend your own money on anything without prior approval first.

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    last post in this thread is 6 months ago.
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    6 moons has been a bit more accurate in their reviews than most. They do tend to "romanticize" many of the products they review and get a tad artsy fartsy sometimes with long winded descriptions, but if you look at the overall review and the conclusions they are pretty close most of the time; not always and not perfect, but not horrible.

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    Why are we digging up May trash from the landfill?
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    I bet those monitor 30s would have sounded great in that huge room if they used Emotiva gear to drive it, and some Radioshack lampcord as speaker wire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by inspiredsports View Post
    Why are we digging up May trash from the landfill?
    Who cares? Would you rather another thread be started? Someone bumped it TTT and apparently people still have comments they want to share.

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    I clicked on a link last week and wound up over on that sites forum. Clicked down through a few links and it seemed like every thread I clicked into I saw some of the worse, most incorrect information ever presented! It was so bad I was incredulous! Heaven help the uninformed that stumbles into such crap!

    Like the thread that a guy asked about his 6 ohm rated speakers and should he use a 4 or 8 ohm hookup. The answer was that it doesn't matter too much since it varies by frequency. OK...not too bad at that point. But then the guy goes on to say if the speaker only has one driver then its a good bet that it's just a 4 ohm driver. Oh really???

    Horrible, horrible information like that all over that site! And that's before you get to what seems to be their mission in life to spare the world of good quality cabling!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoolJazz View Post
    I clicked on a link last week and wound up over on that sites forum. Clicked down through a few links and it seemed like every thread I clicked into I saw some of the worse, most incorrect information ever presented! It was so bad I was incredulous! Heaven help the uninformed that stumbles into such crap!

    Like the thread that a guy asked about his 6 ohm rated speakers and should he use a 4 or 8 ohm hookup. The answer was that it doesn't matter too much since it varies by frequency. OK...not too bad at that point. But then the guy goes on to say if the speaker only has one driver then its a good bet that it's just a 4 ohm driver. Oh really???

    Horrible, horrible information like that all over that site! And that's before you get to what seems to be their mission in life to spare the world of good quality cabling!

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    ...and this site is just chalked full of correct information in every post as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by inspiredsports View Post
    Why are we digging up May trash from the landfill?
    Quote Originally Posted by heiney9 View Post
    Who cares? Would you rather another thread be started? Someone bumped it TTT and apparently people still have comments they want to share. H9
    I'm just guessing the OP who was upset on May 3rd has moved on to other things like where his next mortgage payment is coming from :)
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    You're probably right............but WTH, I love a good discussion :)
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass

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    Funny thing is, my listening room is 24X26X8, just 8 cubic ft (1 sq ft of floor space) smaller than the IMHO normal sized space the AH author used for his testing. :D
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