Obsession with naked women dates back 35000 years.

[Knucklehead]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/...back35000years

interesting read.

[mhardy6647]

May have pushed back the time span, but the subject's nothing new (so to speak)!

Remember the "Venus" of Willendorf?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_of_Willendorf


This "Venus" (of Brassempouy) is of similar antiquity, although not so overtly... umm... sexual as Ms W.

[reeltrouble1]

what did they expect?? obsession with clothed women???

RT1

[treitz3]

Well, better than nekkid men......personally, not what I ever think about. Much less obsess over. Women? Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy!!! Bring it on baby!:D :D :D

[CaligulaPolk]

got to thank to the devil for our existence ... not god bec if eve had listened god wed not be here. thanks to my horny ancestor 35k years ago im here today

[Hillbilly61]

May have pushed back the time span, but the subject's nothing new (so to speak)!

Remember the "Venus" of Willendorf?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_of_Willendorf


This "Venus" (of Brassempouy) is of similar antiquity, although not so overtly... umm... sexual as Ms W.

These are fertility dieties of Cro Magnin origin (the first homo sapiens, we are homo sapiens sapiens). It's all about having babies and furthing our species to the next generation. Gals are more or less guaranteed to have offspring that they can definitively say are of them. For guys, that is a much dicier proposition. Hence, guys tend to be on the prowl much more (very committed guys will often look/gawk, but very committed gals will often not look/gawk), but it is the gals that ultimately choose whether or not to bed down.

To further this notion, guys do kill rivals for a women, but women will seldom do the same. I bet this notion/instinct goes waaaay further back than 35,000 years. People had just evolved enough to begin leaving conceptual evidence behind about that time.

[George Grand]

I can tell you when the nylons and heels obsession came along. When I was about nine.

If those statues are what the girls really looked like back then, I would've been pretty obsessed with getting some kind of bag over them.

[Hillbilly61]

I can tell you when the nylons and heels obsession came along. When I was about nine.

If those statues are what the girls really looked like back then, I would've been pretty obsessed with getting some kind of bag over them.

From what I have read concerning the subject matter, fat chicks kind of ruled until about 1900 or there abouts. It meant that they were a person of means, not having to work one's butt off to stay alive, etc. Therefore, their children had one up in the prospects of getting ahead, etc.

Anyway, that is what I have read.

[mhardy6647]

I can tell you when the nylons and heels obsession came along. When I was about nine.

If those statues are what the girls really looked like back then, I would've been pretty obsessed with getting some kind of bag over them.

Mr Grand (of the Jersey Grands) puts things into perspective, as usual.

Mr Grand, I shall honk as I drive by on the TPK tomorrow on my way to lovely Westminster, MD to pick up the boy from school...

[cnh]

The above revelation is, in the end, fairly trite. In Anthropology the 'interpretation' of what an artifact 'means' involves a fair amount of guess work. Carvings of naked women don't prove much of 'anything' it is the behavior associated with those carvings that would inform us as to 'why' they existed, 'why' they were made, 'what' they were used for, etc! This article cannot provide that; so much of it is mere conjecture. There is unfortunately a lot of conjecture in this field. I ought to know.

cnh

[mhardy6647]

absolutely true. There is a classic Calvin and Hobbes cartoon in which Calvin, imagining himself an archaeologist (or paleoanthropologist) in some distant future, is pondering the significance of a found relic (which contemporary eyes recognize as a coat hanger). Possibly it has some ritual significance.

[George Grand]

I'll be listening/feeling for the waves Hard Marky! Safe trip mon.

[venomclan]

Whatever was going on in the mind of the man who carved it, not much has changed in our minds for the last 35000 years, we just have better technology now. :)
Venom

[Hillbilly61]

The genuine significance is that it wasn't a tool, like an arrow head, etc. Other things showed up during that general time period. Like antler carvings, cave paintings, bone flutes, etc. Human minds had changed sufficiently so as to want individuals to take the time to create these artifacts that had no immediate practical purpose. Therefore, these articles must have had abstract value.

[John30_30]

The genuine significance is that it wasn't a tool, like an arrow head, etc. Other things showed up during that general time period. Like antler carvings, cave paintings, bone flutes, etc. Human minds had changed sufficiently so as to want individuals to take the time to create these artifacts that had no immediate practical purpose. Therefore, these articles must have had abstract value.

They prayed to them as tangible symbols of the Goddess of Fertility, including crops and livestock, feeling that the intangible world would get the message. It was not about art, they felt it was ultimately practical.

That's probably where musical rhythms originated also.

[Airplay355]

Once you see one women naked...well, you want to see the rest of them naked. :D

[sucks2beme]

You'd think this would be where they'd post the foreign Viagra ad.
Not the DIY/mods section.

[petrym]

Once you see one women naked...well, you want to see the rest of them naked. :D

Ron White, I believe? ;)

[Airplay355]

Sure was! He's friggen hilarious. Especially when right after saying that he acted out some old lady rolling up her saggy boobies and tucking them back in her shirt. That will always be funny :)

[mhardy6647]

The genuine significance is that it wasn't a tool, like an arrow head, etc. Other things showed up during that general time period. Like antler carvings, cave paintings, bone flutes, etc. Human minds had changed sufficiently so as to want individuals to take the time to create these artifacts that had no immediate practical purpose. Therefore, these articles must have had abstract value.

heh-heh, he said bone flute... heh-heh-heh.

George I did indeed tootle the horn as I passed Exit 5 (which was at least close, right?). It was a whirlwind trip... we're back in MA as of 1:30 this afternoon.

ciao!