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    Default Milatary Plane makes Emrg Landing

    http://www2.tbo.com/content/2009/jul...news-breaking/

    Seen this happen this morning. Was pretty hetic this morning next door. Glad everything turned out ok. Been watching from my office. My phone camera doesnt zoom but just figured i snap a quick pic from my view.


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    great to hear that they made it OK.

    need to keep all our young men and women safe at all times.

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    Smoke in the cockpit of a refueler would make me land ASAP, too!
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    If I had a dime for every time I put that oxygen mask on because of smoke in the tanker, I could buy some of my own albums.

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    So how many unexpected emergency landing did you make George?:D And what exactly is smoking???

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    Quote Originally Posted by George Grand View Post
    If I had a dime for every time I put that oxygen mask on because of smoke in the tanker, I could buy some of my own albums.
    You're supposed to flush the butts before opening the bathroom door;):D
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    Too much panama red in the cockpit? :D
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    Usually it was something in the electronics rack or the radar fried itself. You put the mask on until the smoke/fumes filter out.

    Coming back to your own station? Not a problem. The worst that's going to happen is the flight surgeon is going to greet you and ask if anybody feels crummy. Land at ANOTHER station? Non-military? Man, you've got a ton of paperwork ahead of you. Plus, they won't be letting you take your airplane anywhere until qualified maintenance is performed on the airplane. That means you're sitting there until your home base gets maintenance people to your location, diagnoses and fixes the problem.

    All the while you're sitting around in the same flying suit, boxer shorts, socks, and T-shirt that you were wearing when you left your house days ago.

    I made one emergency landing in my career, at Forbes Field in Kansas.

    And the KC-135 series of aircraft? All 6 or 7 hundred of them came from the Boeing factory with an ashtray built into every crew position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by George Grand View Post
    And the KC-135 series of aircraft? All 6 or 7 hundred of them came from the Boeing factory with an ashtray built into every crew position.
    Well, that's mighty thoughtful of them

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    Quote Originally Posted by George Grand View Post
    Usually it was something in the electronics rack or the radar fried itself. You put the mask on until the smoke/fumes filter out.

    Coming back to your own station? Not a problem. The worst that's going to happen is the flight surgeon is going to greet you and ask if anybody feels crummy. Land at ANOTHER station? Non-military? Man, you've got a ton of paperwork ahead of you. Plus, they won't be letting you take your airplane anywhere until qualified maintenance is performed on the airplane. That means you're sitting there until your home base gets maintenance people to your location, diagnoses and fixes the problem.

    All the while you're sitting around in the same flying suit, boxer shorts, socks, and T-shirt that you were wearing when you left your house days ago.

    I made one emergency landing in my career, at Forbes Field in Kansas.

    And the KC-135 series of aircraft? All 6 or 7 hundred of them came from the Boeing factory with an ashtray built into every crew position.
    KC135's are in essence the military version of the old Boeing 707 airliner, albeit heavily moddified for it's military role. I knew a few 135 drivers when I was in the Corps, and every one of them flew with an extra change of clothes. Thanks George for the time in the air. Flying a gas station like that was/is one of the roughest gigs in the sky.:)
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    Flying Gas Station Boeing KC-135 Stratotanker

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    Quote Originally Posted by George Grand View Post
    Usually it was something in the electronics rack or the radar fried itself. You put the mask on until the smoke/fumes filter out.

    And the KC-135 series of aircraft? All 6 or 7 hundred of them came from the Boeing factory with an ashtray built into every crew position.
    That is probably the case George, but don't forget about the ACM (Air cycling Machine) that has been the culprit of many smoke in the cockpit IFE's.

    Not anymore, a recent mod has pretty much removed all of the old ashtrays, although the remaining ones do make for a good trash can for gum, and gum wrappers, lol.

    Quote Originally Posted by nooshinjohn View Post
    KC135's are in essence the military version of the old Boeing 707 airliner, albeit heavily moddified for it's military role. I knew a few 135 drivers when I was in the Corps, and every one of them flew with an extra change of clothes. Thanks George for the time in the air. Flying a gas station like that was/is one of the roughest gigs in the sky.:)

    I am currently in the Active Duty Air Force (as I think you may already know John, lol) and I just happen to be a crew chief on the KC-135 R/T Stratotanker stationed at Fairchild AFB in Wa. Been involved in many IFE's and what not for smoke in the cockpit. Also, very good point about the overnight bag, seen may a crew show up with a change of clothes, just in case, lol. I can't count the number of times I have crewed a Jet TDY and have broke on an overnighter and I was glad I packed for a week, lol. The Jet that landed there was from MacDill AFB as I'm sure you know Pauly, I have been there a few times and liked it very much. Haven't been there in a few years, but wouldn't mind going back again, lol. They put us up in a very nice hotel (Quorum Westshore) and went to the Coyote Ugly bar down there too.
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    I have 8,500 hours in tankers. That's about the equivalent of TWO, 20 year careers for an active duty boom operator. What do you want to tell me about tankers and overnight adventures? I retired almost one year ago to the day.

    I also personally knew Paul Hamilton. You figure that one out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by George Grand View Post
    I have 8,500 hours in tankers. That's about the equivalent of TWO, 20 year careers for an active duty boom operator. What do you want to tell me about tankers and overnight adventures? I retired almost one year ago to the day.

    I also personally knew Paul Hamilton. You figure that one out.
    ???? I hope you don't think I was trying to one up you George, was just adding my $.02 to the conversation since I know a little about the topic, lol. 8,500 hrs. is quite impressive, were you ever stationed at Fairchild? As I'm sure is the case with you I have been deployed/TDY more than I care to remember, and have had some fun times on both. My favorites are the GATM out and backs to Hickam, and the occasional Red Flag in Vegas, lol. Nothing like spending a day on the beach in Hawaii, and hitting up Dukes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wutadumsn23 View Post
    That is probably the case George, but don't forget about the ACM (Air cycling Machine) that has been the culprit of many smoke in the cockpit IFE's.

    Not anymore, a recent mod has pretty much removed all of the old ashtrays, although the remaining ones do make for a good trash can for gum, and gum wrappers, lol. I am currently in the Active Duty Air Force (as I think you may already know John, lol) and I just happen to be a crew chief on the KC-135 R/T Stratotanker stationed at Fairchild AFB in Wa.
    I never had an ACM machine fail inflight.

    So how long have you served in this capacity as a -135 cc?

    I was never in the Air Force and never stationed at Fairchild. Matter of fact, I think the only time I ever spent there was taking the governor of New Jersey out there in the early 80's. Never went to the survival school thing. Too stressful I would imagine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by George Grand View Post
    I never had an ACM machine fail inflight.

    So how long have you served in this capacity as a -135 cc?

    I was never in the Air Force and never stationed at Fairchild. Matter of fact, I think the only time I ever spent there was taking the governor of New Jersey out there in the early 80's. Never went to the survival school thing. Too stressful I would imagine.
    That is weird, in my experience a vast majority of all smoke in the cockpit issues have been problems with the ACM's. Not them actually failing or shelling out (only seen one of those and it was not pretty) but for other reasons and the fumes being pumped into the jet from the air ducts. Also, while you have never had an ACM be the cause of a smoke in the cockpit type of situation, doesn't mean that it isn't possible of happening. Did you fly A's, E's, Q's, or R's/T's? J57's, TF33's or F108's? I have been stationed at Fairchild all my career and have been a flightline crew chief for over 10 years now. I don't claim to know everything, but I have been around long enough to be able to consider myself no longer a "FNG", lol. Not trying to start an argument George, or a pissing contest just offering up my $.02. :D
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    changing the subject before the smoke turns to flames

    what do you think about this (FROM grumman's website...)

    Northrop Grumman’s KC-45 Tanker is the right answer for the U.S. Air Force’s modernization of its aerial refueling fleet.

    This capable aircraft is based on the highly successful A330 airliner, and is a derivative of the tanker/transport aircraft already selected for service in the air forces of Australia, United Kingdom, United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia. The KC-45 provides a total air mobility solution – with exceptional capacity for in-flight refueling, plus full flexibility in cargo delivery, passenger transport, aeromedical evacuation, and other missions.

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    Yeah, they have been talking about replacing the 135 for years now, lol. Hopefully they will seeing as how most of our Jets here are over 50 years old. The KC-X is a much needed addition to the AF, but unfortunatelty is still years away. Boeing also has a proposal (big scandal, lol) the 767. Added a couple of links for your viewing pleasure.

    http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/kc767/ Boeing's 767

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KC-X link to the KC-X
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