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    Default RTiA7 vs RTiA9

    I currently have RTiA7 fronts in my system, accompanied by CSiA6 center, FXiA6 surrounds and FXiA4 rear surrounds. I am also running a SVS PB12 Plus sub. I was thinking about the possibility of swapping the RTiA7's for RTiA9's.

    1. Since I have a very good sub, and I am not relying on the fronts for heavy duty low end work (cut over set at 80hZ), will the A9's be much of an improvement?
    2. Would my 140 watt Onk TX-SR876 have the power to push the larger A9's? Or would they need an amp?

    And I am not dissatisfied with the sound of the A7's. They actually sound very good. But hey, it's a hobby and we are always looking for ways to make good things better.

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    Stick with your current speakers and add an external amp. That will make the difference you are looking for. YMMV.
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    ^^^^agreed^^^^^

    you have a nice setup as it is.. add the amp 3 channel or 5 channel and I am sure you will be very happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MillerLiteScott View Post
    Stick with your current speakers and add an external amp. That will make the difference you are looking for. YMMV.
    Agreed,but I hear that the A9s mid-range is alot better than the A7s.
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    I say MORE POWER!

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    The A9's will be a all around improvement. With the A9's you will be able to turn the sub off and enjoy music. More power will also be a big improvement as well. I'm currently running my a9's without any external amp for a easy to use system for the whole family and it does a great job. The amp section in my sc-07 is also the best I've heard so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leroyjr1 View Post
    The A9's will be a all around improvement. With the A9's you will be able to turn the sub off and enjoy music. More power will also be a big improvement as well. I'm currently running my a9's without any external amp for a easy to use system for the whole family and it does a great job. The amp section in my sc-07 is also the best I've heard so far.
    I agree, your awesome system deserves RTiA9's. The RTiA7's can be moved to side surrounds and the FXiA6's replace the FXiA4's at the rears. The FXiA4's make nice two channel speakers in a office.
    This will be an improvement for both HT and music as the 6 channels are using upgraded speakers.

    Even though your Onkyo 876 is a hefy receiver, you can usually improve the sound using external amps for the RTiA9's and 7's.
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    +1 xcapri

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    Quote Originally Posted by leroyjr1 View Post
    The A9's will be a all around improvement. With the A9's you will be able to turn the sub off and enjoy music. More power will also be a big improvement as well. I'm currently running my a9's without any external amp for a easy to use system for the whole family and it does a great job. The amp section in my sc-07 is also the best I've heard so far.
    +1000. The 9's offer up better mid-range and bass. Not knocking the 7's as i did own them prior, and think their a great speaker, but the 9's are much more dynamic IMO.



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    [QUOTE=leroyjr1;1158213]The A9's will be a all around improvement. With the A9's you will be able to turn the sub off and enjoy music. More power will also be a big improvement as well.

    agreed. I usually listen to music in pure direct, the a9's deliver. Of course ht is another story, but for music no sub wanted or needed here. Imo the 9s need an amp to really get the MOST out of them. I've had them hooked up with and without an amp and the difference is huge.
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    Thanks for all of the feedback. I am not looking for a reason to turn off my sub. It sounds great for HT or music and blends very well. And I really want to avoid adding an external amp if I can. So I would be most tempted to get the A9's if ....1) I could aqdequately power them direct from my Onk 876, and 2) if the mid and high range would be a noticeable improvement over the A7's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ls7z06 View Post
    Thanks for all of the feedback. I am not looking for a reason to turn off my sub. It sounds great for HT or music and blends very well. And I really want to avoid adding an external amp if I can. So I would be most tempted to get the A9's if ....1) I could aqdequately power them direct from my Onk 876, and 2) if the mid and high range would be a noticeable improvement over the A7's.
    Where are you located? If you're close to me you're more than welcome to have a listen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leroyjr1 View Post
    Where are you located? If you're close to me you're more than welcome to have a listen.
    I appreciate that very much! However, it would be easier for me to audition them in the Dallas area. Maybe at Frye or Ultimate Electronics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ls7z06 View Post
    Thanks for all of the feedback. I am not looking for a reason to turn off my sub. It sounds great for HT or music and blends very well. And I really want to avoid adding an external amp if I can. So I would be most tempted to get the A9's if ....1) I could aqdequately power them direct from my Onk 876, and 2) if the mid and high range would be a noticeable improvement over the A7's.
    Get the A9's, the midrange and bass will improve. They will sound fine with the Onkyo 876 as it is a good receiver, however they should sound better with an external amp.

    Why don't you want to get an external amp? A two channel amp for just the A9's will work and leave the Onkyo for the rest. That is the beauty of having pre-outs on your receiver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xcapri79 View Post
    Get the A9's, the midrange and bass will improve. They will sound fine with the Onkyo 876 as it is a good receiver, however they should sound better with an external amp.

    Why don't you want to get an external amp? A two channel amp for just the A9's will work and leave the Onkyo for the rest. That is the beauty of having pre-outs on your receiver.

    You can get away with as little as a Adcom 545II which can be had for about $150-$200 but reccommend the 555II and that ranges from $250-$350.

    I had the chance to use a friends Rotel 1092 class D 500 watts@8 ohms on my A9's WOW not as warm as most people would like for music but they did hit hard and sound fantastic.
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    If I did not get the amp, just yet, and just got the A9's..... and just plugged them into my Onk 876..... would they sound better than the A7's? OR... would they be so underpowered that the A7's sound better?

    Then on the other hand... If I got a 200w amp and ran my A7's through it, would they sound better than the A9's running direct from my receiver??

    Probably a hard question to answer unless you have done actually done it. But best guesses are always welcome too!

    My only issue with the amp is space, size, and more wires. If I got real innovative, I could probably make it work. I would probably need to moth ball my HDDVD player to make room.
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    Just a guess, But I would think that the A7s with the 200w amp may sound
    a lil better than the A9s with the Onk.
    But go for the A9s and get the Amp later.
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    I've had all three and underpowered A9's sound better thanthe A7's. At the time I was running a Onkyo 805 and it did a good job. Get the best and later when funds come available play around with a little more power. No need to rush right away.

    Just a heads up I had bought all three at the same time and returned the a7's. If that says anything.

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    I'll say one thing for Polk. They keep a tight grip on what kind of discounts are offered on their equipment. No matter how much you web surf....$850 each for the RTi A9's. I guess that makes our used stuff worth more too!

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    I don't think you need a amp. get the 9's and call it a day. I do however really like the 7's. I have spent quality time listening to them. I don't own them but have Installed them and spent countless hours in our (past tense) showroom.

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    When I bought the 7's, I also listened to the 9's. At the time, I thought I actually liked the 7's better. I just thought they sounded less stressed and had a little more warmth and depth and a more of a full sound. BUT... now I think that was largely due to the speakers being auditioned with the same receiver, and the whole set up in the showroom was probably screwed up.

    Again, I appreciate all of the feedback. I will do some careful auditioning and make a decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ls7z06 View Post
    I'll say one thing for Polk. They keep a tight grip on what kind of discounts are offered on their equipment. No matter how much you web surf....$850 each for the RTi A9's. I guess that makes our used stuff worth more too!
    Are you dead set on NEW? If not look at Polks ebay store for some A9's and you can get the pair for under 1100 shipped. They are refurbs but you can not tell the difference in polks refurbs from brand new.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TouchOfEvil View Post
    Are you dead set on NEW? If not look at Polks ebay store for some A9's and you can get the pair for under 1100 shipped. They are refurbs but you can not tell the difference in polks refurbs from brand new.
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    I have both A9 & A7 running off my yamaha and i prefer the sound of the 9's over the 7's (i played around a bit with them to compare)

    My dad also has a set of 7's but hooked up to an older pioneer vsx-812 and with a 10" sub they sound real sweet :) That receiver isn't very powerfull only 100w/ch IIRC hence the addition of the sub :o

    1 thing i will say is i feel that the both of them could do MUCH better with separate power ;)
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    I thought the A7's sounded really good on a Pioneer Elite VSX-52TXi......and then I hooked them up to my Carver TFM-25 and I was blown away by how great they sounded. My vote is go with the amp and then if you are still not satisfied get some A9's but I think you will be pleasantly suprised by the A7's with a quality amp.
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    Try b-wiring your 7"s before you make the leap. Don't get me wrong , the 9's are KILLER. I am running 2 chanel stereo only.Originally I was runing 2-9's for L and R biwired and using 2 Carver M-400's . Currently STILL using 2 9's per side but have jumped up to a CROWN Macro Reference amp with ROTEL pre/tuner. Just added Polk DSW 400 Pro subs. Never realized how much was missing on on the 9's untill I added the subs. Don't get me wrong , the 9's kick A** , but adding the subs brought it to a new level.

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    Another note: Do away with the jumper bar's on the rear of the speaker's and replace them with a short piece of speaker wire, should add a new level ;)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fongolio View Post
    I thought the A7's sounded really good on a Pioneer Elite VSX-52TXi......and then I hooked them up to my Carver TFM-25 and I was blown away by how great they sounded. My vote is go with the amp and then if you are still not satisfied get some A9's but I think you will be pleasantly suprised by the A7's with a quality amp.
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    Agreed,Try the Amp!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sTiLlLeArNiNg View Post
    Another note: Do away with the jumper bar's on the rear of the speaker's and replace them with a short piece of speaker wire, should add a new level ;)
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