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    If you're serious about finding another sub that has the same parameters, this is what you want to look for: http://www.polkaudio.com/products/db840

    Be advised, you will probably end up with another car sub which will either look similar or much more gaudy.

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    i hooked up my lsi15s today. they have crossover mods and the db840. sound good to me. its about the perfect blend for a nice rich sound without being boomy and annoying. i dont think id want anymore bass from that model of speaker. db840 is plenty of sub for this application.im running somewhere around 850 watts to them and havent heard any distortion or sign of being a weak link. those are my thoughts about this mod. thanks guys have a happy new year!!

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    Can we get some long-term impressions from those that made the db840 swap?

    Has anybody reverted back to the stock woofers?
    Last edited by zeppelin2; 05-01-2013 at 05:24 PM. Reason: Removed the "ish" from "long-term(ish)".. didn't realize this thread was started back in 2009!

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    Lol the lack of posts after doing the mod are due to the members enjoying music too much to post lol.

    They sound MUCH better. I sold off my stock woofers and haven't looked back.
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    changing the woofes made the bass a lot tighter... The original drivers tended to be a bit boomy.

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    Definitely worth doing. The bass is a lot tighter! The mod is cheap and easy to do so it is a no brainer. Sounds EVEN better after upgrading the crossovers :)
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    FINALLY pulled the trigger. Have owned the 15's for over a year now, so figured it was time. Under 90 bones. Will be here Friday.
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    You won't regret the upgrade... the only thing you'll regret is why you waited so long....

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    Where did you find then for under $90? I keep finding em for between $110-$120...
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    Nevermind...found em on Amazon with free shipping.
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    I may have an addiction... RTA-15TL, SDA 2, LSi25, LSi15, LSi9, LSi7, LSiCx2, LSiFX, LS/FX, RT/FX, DSW MP2000...and that's just the Polks...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZLTFUL View Post
    Nevermind...found em on Amazon with free shipping.
    Sorry...yes, Amazon.

    When I was looking a few months back they were in the $50-$60 range (each), but the price has dropped. Crutchfield now says discontinued product so that might have something to do with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hochpt21 View Post
    Sorry...yes, Amazon.

    When I was looking a few months back they were in the $50-$60 range (each), but the price has dropped. Crutchfield now says discontinued product so that might have something to do with it.
    Yeah they are discontinued, I may snag another set to have in case I get another st of 15's at a later date.

    Also the ones on Amazon are probably NOT from a authorized vendor so they are cheaper. Not sure thats a biggie as they dont get nearly as much wear/tear in the LSi's as they would in a car.
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    changing the woofes made the bass a lot tighter... The original drivers tended to be a bit boomy.
    Definitely worth doing. The bass is a lot tighter! The mod is cheap and easy to do so it is a no brainer. Sounds EVEN better after upgrading the crossovers :)
    Just got 'em in about 30 min ago. The comments above are consistant with my initial reaction. I don't necessarily notice an increase in bass...maybe slightly deeper, but it seems much more natural. It seems to blend better with the rest of the music.

    Looking forward to getting more listening time.

    ...and yes...even for scaredy me doing my first mod...it was very easy.

    Special thanks to Dan for taking the time on the phone this morning when I thought I effed something up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hochpt21 View Post
    Special thanks to Dan for taking the time on the phone this morning when I thought I effed something up.
    No worries man. Now get off the forum and back to "ENJOYING THE MUSIC!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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    I've got some more listening time on these puppies.

    Bass is weightier and tighter. Maybe a hair deeper, but not much. The biggest thing IMO, it is much better blended with the rest of the speaker.

    The bass is the one MINOR grip I have had with these speakers since I got them last year.

    I am truly amazed at the SQ difference for the price.

    Thanks to all who inspired me.
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    I bought a set from Amazon, will be a while before I install them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vmaxer View Post
    I bought a set from Amazon, will be a while before I install them.
    Why?? Might I ask...will it be a while before you install them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hochpt21 View Post
    Why?? Might I ask...will it be a while before you install them.
    I have had them packed up in the boxes for a couple of years, been playing more with the SDA's lately. I will do it at some point, they were about to run out if these so I bought a couple. I do like the LSI's, just been very busy with work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vmaxer View Post
    I have had them packed up in the boxes for a couple of years, been playing more with the SDA's lately. I will do it at some point, they were about to run out if these so I bought a couple. I do like the LSI's, just been very busy with work.
    10-4...

    Hope you get to it sooner vs. later. I don't know why I waited almost a year to do it.

    And as the rest said...very easy to do. Only took me 2 hours and messing with the dynomat took the longest.
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    Default Just uprgaded my woofers

    With these speakers being discontinued for a while now, maybe interest in this mod is waning. But for what it's worth, I just did mine today. Luckily the db840's themselves have also been discontinued and the price seems to keep dropping. I bought mine for $43 ea w/ free shipping.

    The install is straight forward. Like another person said earlier, I left the gaskets on mine and didn't use any other sealant. This way the driver will not set all the way flush with the metal collar in the opening, but using all eight screws (supplied with my drivers) I've got a good seal and it looks great! The grills on mine came on and off easily.

    The sound is significantly better. There's a bit more bass, but it is much tighter and cleaner bass. I'd say this mod is easily worth $200-$300 IMHO. For the $85 bucks I spent it is really incredible!

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    Does anyone know what the market value for the OEM drivers that the DB840 replaces might be? I don't really want to hang on to them and have them taking up space so I want to dump them on CL or something.

    Second I did this mod and there are a couple comments.
    1 the rubber surround, I didn't get it at first and started thinking something had changed because the rubber was hard and around the speaker like a tire. I thought it might be metal. So I decided to install them and only after I saw it flex when I was putting in the screws did I realize it was rubber. lol probably stupid but I have never done much speaker work before.

    Second mortite is basically nonexistent in any major stores I did find it at a small local ace hardware though. A

    Third the speaker cabinet being the wood it is stripped one of the screws so I just bought new 8x 1 inch screws, but I couldn't find any in black.

    Fourth I mentioned the looks of this mod and have to say after doing it, people forget it you wont be able to keep the grill off the speaker just isn't well enough finished on the cabinet side or without the rubber surround.

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    ^ I think I got 40 bucks for both of my woofers. There really isnt much demand for them.
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    http://rudy.sloup.org/projects/LSi15_Modifications/

    I took some pictures while I was doing the mod because someone here had asked and TBH it's always a lot easier if you see how its done. It would have saved me at least 1 mistake.
    It would be great if the OP could put this link in the OP.

    If anyone has anything else they think should be mentioned go ahead and say it and I will try to amend it. Its a lot easier than reading this whole thread.

    And thanks for the info enders

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    Default Stock woofer vs. db840 measurements

    I did some measurements comparing the stock woofer to the db840 if anybody is still interested!

    My bedroom measures 14 x 12 x 7.5 feet. It has some bass trapping in the corners and some absorption along the front and side walls. The left speaker is 43" from the side wall, the right speaker is 75" from the other side wall, and both speakers are 25.5" from the back wall (as measured from the tweeter). The mic was placed at the point of the equilateral triangle formed by the speakers at tweeter height.

    Equipment used was a Behringer ECM-8000 omnidirectional measurement microphone, Behringer Xenyx 802 mic preamp, and Room EQ Wizard v5.01 beta 17 build 2967. The ECM-8000 calibration profile (taken from the Home Theater Shack forum) was loaded. I still haven't figured out why there's a sharp drop in the SPL response for all my measurements after about 8KHz, but it shouldn't really affect the results of this test.


    Pink Noise

    Before I post the measurements, here's some quick results from playing some pink noise and measuring the output:

    stock woofer, left speaker: 66.8 dB
    db840, left speaker: 66.8 dB

    stock woofer, right speaker: 66.0 dB
    db840, right speaker: 66.3 dB

    stock woofer, both speakers: 72.0 dB
    db840, both speakers: 72.2 dB

    So there's no real drop in efficiency, it's actually pretty well the same after the swap.


    Measurements

    And now for the measurements comparing the stock woofer vs. the db840. Click the images for a bigger size.

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    20-20 000Hz, 1/3 smoothing




    Figure 1. Left speaker, stock woofer in blue, db840 in green




    Figure 2. Right speaker, stock woofer in purple, db840 in yellow




    Figure 3. Both speakers, stock woofer in blue, db840 in green


    20-400Hz, 1/48 smoothing




    Figure 4. Left speaker, stock woofer in blue, db840 in green




    Figure 5. Right speaker, stock woofer in purple, db840 in yellow




    Figure 6. Both speakers, stock woofer in blue, db840 in green


    Waterfall




    Figure 7. Left speaker, stock woofer




    Figure 8. Left speaker, db840





    Figure 9. Right speaker, stock woofer




    Figure 10. Right speaker, db840




    Figure 11. Both speakers, stock woofer




    Figure 12. Both speakers, db840

    Thoughts

    Well, compared with the stock woofer, it seems that the db840 affects the response slightly (i.e. usually less than a dB or so) from about 1kHz downwards, with the most noticeable differences happening between roughly 80Hz and 350Hz. In this latter region, there can be up to a 5.5dB drop in output with the db840.

    Interestingly, the db840 doesn't seem to dig any deeper as some have noticed, as the -3dB and -10dB points are pretty much the same for both!

    The waterfalls don't really show quicker decay times for the db840.. in some cases (e.g. 43Hz), the decay is actually longer. Note that 43Hz represents the interaction of both the length and width modes of my room.
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    You really should have done nearfield measuring. And even with shallow slopes, it shouldn't be affect response up to 1K.
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    How would you define nearfield measuring? As it was, the mic was 49" from each speaker. I considered doing the measurements on-axis with the woofer at a distance of 1m, but decided against it as it would have put me right in the room's corner at my left speaker (room modes would be at their worst and I imagine would skew results quite badly), while I wouldn't even have access to that position at the right speaker due to a desk being in the way.

    I don't seem to be able to edit my above post, but all shown measurements are the result of the average of four consecutive measurements. The 1dB differences up to 1KHz may be measurement error, or they may be real. I can't confirm either way!

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    Looking at the results above, does it still make sense to swap? or is it actually a downgrade?

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    ^Thats what I was thinking as well!
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    So here's the thing..

    I originally swapped the stock woofer for the db840 about a month ago and only a couple of days ago reverted back to the stock woofers to see which I preferred. Right away, I noticed that the bass took a turn for the worse. It seemed to hang around longer and was more indistinct than with the db840 in place. The stock woofers almost seemed to cloud up the rest of the spectrum, if that makes sense. So I decided I'd do some measurements while the stock woofers were still in place and then make the switch back to the db840.

    My preference? I definitely prefer the db840. There seems to be less bloat, which correlates with the reduction in mid-bass as per the measurements, and strangely, they do seem to have more low-end grunt even though the measurements don't show them playing any lower.

    I've always been unhappy with the quality of bass that the LSi15s put out and swapping back to the stock woofers reminded me at how much I disliked it. I still don't consider the bass great (or even good) with the db840s in place, but it's at least something that I can live with, especially when playing analog sources (like vinyl or FM broadcasts on a vintage tuner).
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    Quote Originally Posted by zeppelin2 View Post
    How would you define nearfield measuring? As it was, the mic was 49" from each speaker. I considered doing the measurements on-axis with the woofer at a distance of 1m, but decided against it as it would have put me right in the room's corner at my left speaker (room modes would be at their worst and I imagine would skew results quite badly), while I wouldn't even have access to that position at the right speaker due to a desk being in the way.

    I don't seem to be able to edit my above post, but all shown measurements are the result of the average of four consecutive measurements. The 1dB differences up to 1KHz may be measurement error, or they may be real. I can't confirm either way!
    Nearfield would be a few inches to a foot away. It takes the room out of the equation. What you measured was how each woofer interacts with the room in that section of the room.
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