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    Default using Banana Plugs

    I was just reading the Polk FAQ's and saw that you can hook up your binding posts on the speakers with a banana plug and I was wondering how many of you do this and if it makes a difference in the sound?

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    I use bananas because of convenience and positive fit. I think the argument regarding spades vs bananas is a moot point. If anything, bananas have more surface area contacting the binding post. Bare wire connections are probably best; but can come loose causing other problems, and are not always practical depending on the type of wire being used.

    As far as sound, who knows. As long as your terminations (regardless of type) are non-corroding and a good electrical conductor (copper, gold, silver).
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    Its more for convenience. Sonically i dont think it will change much over bare wire or spades etc...


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    Quote Originally Posted by steveinaz View Post
    I use bananas because of convenience. I think the argument regarding spades vs bananas is a moot point. If anything, bananas have more surface area contacting the binding post.
    +1

    I have never heard a difference. Nanners are easier to swap out, so I use them.

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    Also, avoid soldered connections if at all possible. It's better to have a good, properly crimped connection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steveinaz View Post
    Also, avoid soldered connections if at all possible. It's better to have a good, properly crimped connection.
    I use solder style banana connectors with built in strain relief. Why is the crimped connection better?

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    thanks guys.. i'm actually using bare wire connections right now but I was a little worried about what if a strand or two come loose and cross with the other side.. i'll go ahead and pick up some more bananas then I think and reconnect my speakers with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jinjuku View Post
    I use solder style banana connectors with built in strain relief. Why is the crimped connection better?
    There's alot of tin/lead in solder, not the best conductor. A properly crimped connection needs no solder. Also, adding solder in the mix introduces another "transition" from wire-solder-connector-binding post. In audio, less is more.

    Not saying it can't be done--of course it IS done alot, but it's not an ideal setup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steveinaz View Post
    There's alot of tin in solder, not a very good conductor. A properly crimped connection needs no solder. Also, adding solder in the mix introduces another "transition" from wire-solder-connector-binding post. In audio, less is more.
    And the solder connections in the x-over? A lot of the leads are tinned in solder on the components in an x-over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jinjuku View Post
    And the solder connections in the x-over? A lot of the leads are tinned in solder on the components in an x-over.
    Exactly, so why add more?
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    ...and there's thousands of solder joints in a $15,000 preamp too. It's cost-effective, and speeds up production, but it's not ideal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steveinaz View Post
    There's alot of tin/lead in solder, not the best conductor. A properly crimped connection needs no solder. Also, adding solder in the mix introduces another "transition" from wire-solder-connector-binding post. In audio, less is more.

    Not saying it can't be done--of course it IS done alot, but it's not an ideal setup.

    That is exactly what I have read. Silver solder properly done being the exception.

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    Yes, but even silver solder is a compromise---albeit a necessary one.

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    I use them for convenience, since I keep swapping stuff out to see what I think is best, and it's a PITA! Spades aren't too bad, but nanners are easily the most convenient. Otherwise, I would actually prefer bare wire, but I'm no scientist or engineer, so I am not basing this preference on any solid facts, but hey! Since when did facts matter on an audio forum?!

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    My bad, I forgot.

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    Solid silver spades or bare wire trump brass bananas any day of the week.
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    There are zero, nada improvements except as some posters said, convenience and less chance to "short" your amp. For most of the mid- price AVR, these 5 way binding posts are clustered in a small area, for safety reason more than convenience, I prefer the single banana plugs than bare wire or space lugs. Bare-wire and space lugs can get loose and the consequence sometimes is not a nice thing to see, especially when you have a high-current amp.

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    Just use coat hangers and call it a day :D:D


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pauly View Post
    Just use coat hangers and call it a day :D:D


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    Believe it or not, some people believe in the metal cloth hanger not as connectors but as ICs. After all, we are just moving electrons from point A to point B within 1 meter length piece if wire. Please do not try this at home by yourself, leave it to the laundry pro.

    Who cares about capacitance, inductance, resistance!!!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by anhchungdoan View Post
    There are zero, nada improvements except as some posters said, convenience and less chance to "short" your amp. For most of the mid- price AVR, these 5 way binding posts are clustered in a small area, for safety reason more than convenience, I prefer the single banana plugs than bare wire or space lugs. Bare-wire and space lugs can get loose and the consequence sometimes is not a nice thing to see, especially when you have a high-current amp.

    yeah I actually have bananas on my AVR i was more referring to the speakers themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anhchungdoan View Post
    Believe it or not, some people believe in the metal cloth hanger not as connectors but as ICs. After all, we are just moving electrons from point A to point B within 1 meter length piece if wire. Please do not try this at home by yourself, leave it to the laundry pro.

    Who cares about capacitance, inductance, resistance!!!!!!!
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    this i know... This is CP afterall


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    Quote Originally Posted by Face View Post
    Solid silver spades or bare wire trump brass bananas any day of the week.
    I wouldn't use "brass" anything for audio connectors. I'm talking silver, copper or gold plated bananas. My first set of Kimber 8TC had Kimber PM 33 copper spades; my current set of 8TC has Kimber banana's, I'll be damned if I can tell a difference. Both were 8' pairs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steveinaz View Post
    Yes, but even silver solder is a compromise---albeit a necessary one.
    I have been using silver solder (4%) for all my DIY cabling and x-overs.

    I think poo-pooing soldered connections vs crimped with all the other soldered connections (literally 1000's) is just a bit over the top.

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    Hey bubba, it's your rig, do what you want. Some connections must be soldered, no doubt--that's where silver solder works best if the components can take the heat necessary to melt silver solder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coolsax View Post
    yeah I actually have bananas on my AVR i was more referring to the speakers themselves.

    Same thing, brother. Either way, there are nada improvements. I hate space lugs even though there some claims that it will have more surface contacts but I ain't hear no improvements.

    Hi-end guys love the space lugs but I do not need to impress myself so either single banana plug or bare-wire goes straight to the binding post.

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    Here is a Youtube video on soldering some banana jacks.

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