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    Default Integrated amps..

    Man, I've been dicking with the rig quite a bit lately. Swapping out the Quads for the Vandys....moving in the Classe instead of the Heaths etc etc...

    Perhaps I'm going soft but I just would like to simplify. The whole stack of gear (no remote, either) is such a whip...yada yada yada. I'm this (holding my thumb and forefinger very close) close to selling all the separates and searching out a high tone integrated.

    The more I think, the more sense it makes.....plug and play, baby. Plug and play.

    Am I losing my marbles or what?

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    No you are not losing your marbles. Perhaps a Musical Fidelity Trivista 300 or kw integrated is in your future.

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    anyone need some one-off tube monos, custom tube phono stage and a Melos SHA-1??

    I LOVE my gear. LOVE it....but, man, I want less clutter. More remote.

    BDT
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    I think you should go stick your head in the toilet and flush it, the swirling you hear is your brain hitting reset. Your rig is fine. If you still want to do it then rock on with your bad self but I would recommend you leave the Quad rig when the Amazings are up you can have some fun with other stuff.

    I am not buying the "simplify" mantra, flavor of the month agenda. There are fine integrated units but "simplify" isn't why I would own one, in fact I did own a few.

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    Subs-Twin Polk CSW200
    HTS5000


    RABBIT HOLE RIG
    BAT VK-31SE
    VTL MB-450 Signature monoblock
    Wolcott Presence monoblock
    Musical Fidelity kW SACD
    Rega P25/RB600/Clearaudio Aurum Beta
    Acoustech Phono-Pre
    Sound Lab Millenium ELS
    BillyBags Rack
    MIT S1/3 cables
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    There is something to be said about "simple"--less noise. I have debated the idea of a high-tone integrated from time-to-time, but I have a large room, and I like LARGE sound. It's hard to find the combination that would interest me in an integrated.

    My system right now has 1 set of RCA IC's---that's it; from the preamp to the amp. Those are only .5mtr. I haven't simplified for any particular reason, it just ended up that way. I have 3 sources; Direct TV HD STB (via toslink), Panasonic BluRay (via coax), and y CEC CDP (via coax). Using the Benchmark as my preamp as well as DAC allowed me to get 35lbs of electronics OUT of my system--that has to be a good thing.

    Source: Squeezebox Touch/CIA Power Supply
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    Linestage: Placette RVC Passive
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    Steve,

    Are you seriously using coax for your BD player audio connect?

    Sorry for the OT post Troy. I'm with RT1 on this one, there are fine pre's with a remote. Get yourself one.
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    JBL Northridge E150P - Sub

    2 Channel:
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    Yep, to the Benchmark (2-channel PCM). My "HT" (if you want to call it that) is 2-channel.

    See my connection scheme (requires excel): http://members.cox.net/stepheninaz/a...ion_scheme.xls
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    Linestage: Placette RVC Passive
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    Quote Originally Posted by vc69 View Post
    Steve,

    Are you seriously using coax for your BD player audio connect?
    With a Benchmark pre, it's either that or optical.

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    There is one 2-channel analog input, but its unused right now....

    Source: Squeezebox Touch/CIA Power Supply
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    Linestage: Placette RVC Passive
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    Speakers: Harbeth Compact 7ES-3 Monitor
    Subwoofer: SVS PB12-NSD

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    Quote Originally Posted by WilliamM2 View Post
    With a Benchmark pre, it's either that or optical.
    So he's obviously not concerned with decoding the Hi-Res codecs on BD. I'm still a bit confused unless this is a two-channel or music only rig, in which case, why a BD player? No HT surround?


    Ahh, just caught your post. LoL

    Carry on....
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    Polk CS350 LS - Center
    Polk Monitor 50's - Rear
    JBL Northridge E150P - Sub

    2 Channel:
    Oppo BDP-83 SE
    Muscial Fidelity M1 DAC
    VTL 2.5
    McIntosh 2205 (refurbed)
    Polk LS90's (spiked & tweeked)
    Cardas IC's
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    I'll go surround when I grow 3.1 more ears....LOL

    PCM is lossless, what's the issue? My BluRay sounds phenominal. The Benchmark accepts 24/192 from coax.
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    Linestage: Placette RVC Passive
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    Speakers: Harbeth Compact 7ES-3 Monitor
    Subwoofer: SVS PB12-NSD

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    Quote Originally Posted by steveinaz View Post
    I'll go surround when I grow 3.1 more ears....LOL

    PCM is lossless, what's the issue? My BluRay sounds phenominal.
    I'm sure it does. I wasn't snapping very quickly this morning :o


    Sorry for the derail Troy.
    Last edited by vc69; 12-15-2009 at 09:40 AM.
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    Polk LS 90's - Front
    Polk CS350 LS - Center
    Polk Monitor 50's - Rear
    JBL Northridge E150P - Sub

    2 Channel:
    Oppo BDP-83 SE
    Muscial Fidelity M1 DAC
    VTL 2.5
    McIntosh 2205 (refurbed)
    Polk LS90's (spiked & tweeked)
    Cardas IC's
    Cardas Bi-Wire

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    No problem. Sorry Troy for the derail...

    Source: Squeezebox Touch/CIA Power Supply
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    Linestage: Placette RVC Passive
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    Speakers: Harbeth Compact 7ES-3 Monitor
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    No sweat...I'm just rambling here...

    Ted, you crack me up, brother. No sweat, nothing is in the FM yet! LOL!

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    I am firmly on the integrated bandwagon. If nothing else, you have one less set of interconnects, and you can spend that money on one of your other toys.
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    Oh God, now you did it . . . Face.

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    On another note, I know what you mean about the feeling to simplify. That being said, I sold all my stuff to fund other projects and to finally take what I've learned on this forum to build a truly high end system from the ground up as opposed to frankensteining. Working closely with dealers who know what they are talking about and demoing is still the only real way to get the high end experience efficiently.

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    You could say that I've been something of an integrated fan for awhile. Although part of this is due to always being limited to small listening spaces, another reason is because I flat out enjoy low profile gear that can produce a big, high quality sound. Now don't get me wrong, it can be cool as hell to sit down before an ominous stack of hi-fi. Not only can a big stack of metal chassis and glowing tubes make ya feel like you have something to show for your money, but it's also cool to have something that will tickle the interest of your audiogeek buddies while at the same time eliciting non audiophile friends to turn their head sideways and to say WTF?!?

    But when it comes to sound quality, I personally feel that integrated amplifiers are there when it comes to matching their separates brethren, or at least when we talk about 'budget', ie: sub $15,000 components. I found that you will ultimately sacrifice two things with integrated amps. Actually, make that three things:

    The first is flexibility. The whole mixing and matching pre amps with amps, worrying about gain, and so on - is pretty much gone. The second thing is that I've only found less than a handful of integrated amplifiers that can match good separates in terms of recreating good size/scale. Integrated amps just don't have the cajones that a good separate amplifier has - and you will hear that in the form of image size. Lastly, there is cool factor. Don't expect to still rock your "members only" jacket to the next audiophile gathering. You can't fool them. They will sniff out your 'downgraded' ways. I hear rumors that non-believers are made air-tight via: Monster Cable banana plugs.

    Otherwise, if you are happy with what you got. F#@R it. Stick with it. If not, try out an integrated or two.

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    How about a Pass Labs INT-50? That's got guts and guile.

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    Just FYI :http://www.wsdistributing.com/pages/SV-236MK.html
    That's not a bad piece and good reviews as well.

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    Here's something new from NAD...a possible glimpse into the future.

    http://nadelectronics.com/products/h...tal-Amplifier/
    "2 Channel & 11.2 HT "
    Panny 65" 3D Plasma
    Yamaha AVENTAGE RX-A3010 AVR
    D>SONIC M2-600M mono's / mains
    Rotel RMB-1095 / 5 channel amp
    Rotel RMB-1075 / 5 channel amp
    TEAC UD - 501 DAC
    Oppo BDP-93
    SONOS System
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    KEF Q600 / center
    KEF Q800 / surrounds
    KEF Q100 / rear surr.
    Def Tech ProMonitor 1000 / front & rear presence
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    Extensive room treatments

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    Re: The Pass integrated.

    It's a very good piece. Great build. Lots of current. Good, clean sound and boasts of mucho clarity. But, it is not a class leader by any stretch of the imagination. If ultra resolution and linearity is your thing, then consider the Sim Audio I-7 and the McIntosh MA7000 along with the Pass 150.

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    http://www.wyred4sound.com/webapps/s..._groupid=18158

    Gawd.....I suppose having the young ones being unruly is a part of life....

    Whatever he gets will glow.

    looks like its time for a reminder. Tubes Rule

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    Onkyo-TX-NR5007
    B&K 7270 amplifier
    Polk SWA-500 Subwoofer amplifier
    OppO BDP-83
    Pioneer Elite 50"
    Polk LCi-RTS-105;LCi-RTS-C;LCi-RTSFx;LCi80Fx
    Subs-Twin Polk CSW200
    HTS5000


    RABBIT HOLE RIG
    BAT VK-31SE
    VTL MB-450 Signature monoblock
    Wolcott Presence monoblock
    Musical Fidelity kW SACD
    Rega P25/RB600/Clearaudio Aurum Beta
    Acoustech Phono-Pre
    Sound Lab Millenium ELS
    BillyBags Rack
    MIT S1/3 cables
    Shunyata/PS Audio/Virtual Dynamics Power Cords


    Everthing Matters...Tubes Rule...and It's Over until it's Not Over

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    Quote Originally Posted by pearsall001 View Post
    Here's something new from NAD...a possible glimpse into the future.

    http://nadelectronics.com/products/h...tal-Amplifier/
    This NAD makes me drool at the mouth a bit. I think I might treat myself to a bit of a graduation/acceptance to grad school present in the near future...
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    Speaking of glow... if any of you ever have a chance to check out the Viva Solista integrated, do it. Bad-ass piece. Talk about an 'end game'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steveinaz View Post
    I'll go surround when I grow 3.1 more ears....LOL
    that line of yours is one of my all time favorite you should copy protect that one steve.


    RT1
    REEL TIME THEATRE
    Onkyo-TX-NR5007
    B&K 7270 amplifier
    Polk SWA-500 Subwoofer amplifier
    OppO BDP-83
    Pioneer Elite 50"
    Polk LCi-RTS-105;LCi-RTS-C;LCi-RTSFx;LCi80Fx
    Subs-Twin Polk CSW200
    HTS5000


    RABBIT HOLE RIG
    BAT VK-31SE
    VTL MB-450 Signature monoblock
    Wolcott Presence monoblock
    Musical Fidelity kW SACD
    Rega P25/RB600/Clearaudio Aurum Beta
    Acoustech Phono-Pre
    Sound Lab Millenium ELS
    BillyBags Rack
    MIT S1/3 cables
    Shunyata/PS Audio/Virtual Dynamics Power Cords


    Everthing Matters...Tubes Rule...and It's Over until it's Not Over

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    Just FYI :http://www.wsdistributing.com/pages/SV-236MK.html
    That's not a bad piece and good reviews as well.

    I keep reading good things about Vincent..........I suppose BAT, Manley, Joule, Jolida, Cary would also join the most usual suspects but there are a bunch of new ones our there to consider........unitl MF gets there service stuff done (Michaleson claims they have) not sure about MF though.

    I suppose in your case Troy with the Quad's raw power is second to refinement. My worry would be the nuance of the micro detail, the congealing of the imaging, and soundstage width, the Manley Stingray was the best of the lot I owned and a nice piece and you can hook your i-pod thingy to the newer ones........

    Man what you have is dead quiet and it delivers.......I dunno bro maybe a change but lateral at best.

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    REEL TIME THEATRE
    Onkyo-TX-NR5007
    B&K 7270 amplifier
    Polk SWA-500 Subwoofer amplifier
    OppO BDP-83
    Pioneer Elite 50"
    Polk LCi-RTS-105;LCi-RTS-C;LCi-RTSFx;LCi80Fx
    Subs-Twin Polk CSW200
    HTS5000


    RABBIT HOLE RIG
    BAT VK-31SE
    VTL MB-450 Signature monoblock
    Wolcott Presence monoblock
    Musical Fidelity kW SACD
    Rega P25/RB600/Clearaudio Aurum Beta
    Acoustech Phono-Pre
    Sound Lab Millenium ELS
    BillyBags Rack
    MIT S1/3 cables
    Shunyata/PS Audio/Virtual Dynamics Power Cords


    Everthing Matters...Tubes Rule...and It's Over until it's Not Over

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