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    Default Speaker Wire GAUGE

    Have a new set of RTiA5's and a Harman Kardon 3600. Need to know recommended wire gauge for both. Thanks

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    either 14ga or 16ga will do nicely.
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    I used 12ga with bare wire connections from my HK 354 to my A5's and it sounded great. Its a little big for making bare wire connections in the binding posts on the AVR, so you might want to try bananas or spades.
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    Yeah, I tried 12ga with my mains on my Pioneer...too big, had to use 14ga, even that was snug.
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    Get you a nice set of AudioQuest type 4's or look at Signal Cable.

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    Is there a real sound quality difference between blue jeans speaker wire and audioquest type 4 cable? Looks like non terminated audioquest type 4 cable can be had for $4/ft. Amazon has terminated pair of 8' for $200. Seems like a big difference for banana plug connectors.

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    Audioquest or Kimber Kable will do the job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Murray1 View Post
    Have a new set of RTiA5's and a Harman Kardon 3600. Need to know recommended wire gauge for both. Thanks
    There are a couple of good sources on speaker wire.
    The Roger Russell wire table is a good guide that works for the typical system.
    http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm#wiretable

    Polk Audio has this recommendation.

    What wire should i get? What gauge?

    We recommend that you get stranded cable that is specifically designed for use with speakers, not just lamp cord or (heaven forbid) telephone wire. Your choice of wire can effect the sound quality of your system and we recommend better-quality branded wire such as Monster Cable, Kimber Kable, AudioQuest or the like. For connecting lengths less than 25 ft. use either #18 or #16 gauge, for connection lengths greater than 25 ft. but less than 50 ft. use either #16 or #14 and greater than 50 ft. use #14 or #12.
    http://www.polkaudio.com/education/s...uestion_num=80

    I trust this helps. Good luck in your audio journey.

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    [QUOTE=xcapri79;1234032]There are a couple of good sources on speaker wire.
    The Roger Russell wire table is a good guide that works for the typical system.
    http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm#wiretableQUOTE]


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    Used
    http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls....igo-10-ft-pair
    New
    http://signalcable.com/speaker_cables.html

    Just a couple quick examples of what readily available. For the cost of a good set of used cables you can't go wrong. Find the "right" ones and if you don't like them or want to upgrade sometime you can flip them without much of a loss.

    The hell with Roger, listen to what I say LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by xcapri79 View Post
    There are a couple of good sources on speaker wire.
    The Roger Russell wire table is a good guide that works for the typical system.
    http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm#wiretableQUOTE]


    Thats dangerous
    Holy hell... are we going to go through all this sh!t again?!

    There is one of about one hundred threads about this in the Clubhouse...

    It's amazing that people can say they have opinions on all kinds of sh!t here at CP... but the two that will get the most controversy is saying that you can hear good quality from Bose products and that Rodger Russell is an authority on cable knowledge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by everpress View Post

    Quote Originally Posted by Knucklehead View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by xcapri79 View Post
    There are a couple of good sources on speaker wire.
    The Roger Russell wire table is a good guide that works for the typical system.
    http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm#wiretable
    Thats dangerous
    Holy hell... are we going to go through all this sh!t again?!

    There is one of about one hundred threads about this in the Clubhouse...

    It's amazing that people can say they have opinions on all kinds of sh!t here at CP... but the two that will get the most controversy is saying that you can hear good quality from Bose products and that Rodger Russell is an authority on cable knowledge.
    The Polk Audio cable recommendations basically agree with Roger Russell's wire table.
    Why is that controversial?
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    I think X just likes going against the grain, I find it rather amusing.

    BTW: you quoted the wrong person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knucklehead View Post
    I think X just likes going against the grain, I find it rather amusing.

    BTW: you quoted the wrong person.
    Actually you screwed up quoting X earlier, and it threw everything off. ;)
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    Quote Originally Posted by concealer404 View Post
    Actually you screwed up quoting X earlier, and it threw everything off. ;)
    Damn you!:p
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knucklehead View Post
    Damn you!:p
    Someone did it to me a week or so ago, and i ended up with my name saying everything that sTiLlLuRnEeNg did. It was stressful.
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    Excerpt from RRs link posted above.

    Of course, we are not personally able to establish the truth of everything for ourselves and it's not easy to set up a similar wire listening test. Very few people are able to make speaker impedance measurements or wire resistance measurements down to 0.1 ohms. Like many other things in life, we rely on indirect sources of information, such as sales literature, reviews and opinions. This is called Authority Belief, which is part of our belief system. An interesting article about the belief system is described in ETC: A Review Of General Semantics Sept. 1964 titled Images Of the Consumer's Mind by Milton Rokeach.
    Oh really?

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    Without the typical swearing, name calling, or personal attacks can someone explain how the Polk Audio recommendation concerning speaker wire significantly differs from Roger Russell's table?
    Both of these sources answers the OP's question.

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    Murray1, speaker wire and IC's are about much more than wire gauge. If you stated your budget, we could help point you in the right direction.











    Quote Originally Posted by xcapri79
    There are a couple of good sources on speaker wire.
    The Roger Russell wire table is a good guide that works for the typical system.
    You are a troll with zero cable experience and extremely limited audio knowledge, so how you can offer advice on the subject matter is beyond me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xcapri79 View Post
    Without the typical swearing, name calling, or personal attacks can someone explain how the Polk Audio recommendation concerning speaker wire significantly differs from Roger Russell's table?
    Both of these sources answers the OP's question.
    Polk's wire table is more of a guidline, RR's seems to say there is no difference in cables, period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by F1nut View Post
    Murray1, speaker wire and IC's are about much more than wire gauge. If you stated your budget, we could help point you in the right direction.

    You are a troll with zero cable experience and extremely limited audio knowledge, so how you can offer advice on the subject matter is beyond me.
    Why is name calling and personal attack the best you can do?
    There are three straightforward questions below, please answer them.
    Do you dispute Polk Audio's speaker wire recommendation?
    Does it significantly differ from Roger Russell's table?
    If so, how?
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    Quote Originally Posted by xcapri79 View Post
    Without the typical swearing, name calling, or personal attacks can someone explain how the Polk Audio recommendation concerning speaker wire significantly differs from Roger Russell's table?
    Both of these sources answers the OP's question.

    They don't.

    Until you read the rest of the manic crap that is through the rest of the article. The table itself? Nah. Not a ton of difference. It's the rest of the again, crap, (that cable selector made me LOL HARD) that anyone that is going to click on that link is going to read, and a percentage of THEM will never get the chance to decide for themselves whether or not it makes a difference.

    Based on the poll that happened, approximately 14% of them will think that Woger Wussel is a genius, and never progress past Home Depot high grade audiophile wire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xcapri79 View Post
    Why is name calling and personal attack the best you can do? ?
    Is that your definition of truth?

    Quote Originally Posted by xcapri79 View Post
    There are three straightforward questions below, please answer them.
    Do you dispute Polk Audio's speaker wire recommendation?
    Does it significantly differ from Roger Russell's table?
    If so, how?
    I believe Knucklehead answered your question. You don't like the answer so you'll keep asking it untill you get an answer that you like, is that it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xcapri79 View Post
    Why is name calling and personal attack the best you can do?
    There are three straightforward questions below, please answer them.
    Do you dispute Polk Audio's speaker wire recommendation?
    Does it significantly differ from Roger Russell's table?
    If so, how?
    I already adressed this, but i'll elaborate:

    Polk's speaker wire recommendations are rudimentary, at best. And that's how it should be, since they have no idea what speakers you just bought, what gear you're using to run it, and what your expectations are for your "perfect sound."

    Roger's table is just that, a table. A table of information, numbers, that nobody really cares about, other than people who like to use it to justify the REASON that they haven't tried any other cables.

    As was previously said... you have minimal to NO experience with cables, so you cannot even begin to give helpful input on the subject.


    And for Christ's sake.... why the HELL would anyone be so hung up on what they SEE on a TABLE or a VISUAL MEASURING DEVICE in a hobby that is about what you HEAR?

    Goddamn.


    That's like saying:

    "SDA 1.2TLs aren't aesthetically pleasing, they must sound like ****. I think i'll never even bother listening to them, but i'll tell everyone else that they sound like ****."

    Wtf is wrong with you? This is an aurul hobby, not ocular.
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    Quote Originally Posted by concealer404 View Post
    And for Christ's sake.... why the HELL would anyone be so hung up on what they SEE on a TABLE or a VISUAL MEASURING DEVICE in a hobby that is about what you HEAR!
    HOLY HELL! Can I use that in my sig?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knucklehead View Post
    HOLY HELL! Can I use that in my sig?
    :D
    Go for it. I'm thinking about putting it in my own damn sig just to spread that around as much as possible. It's unreal what lengths people apparently are willing to go in an attempt to stifle people from finding out what THEY may PERSONALLY like.

    X might not hear a difference, that's fine. But the second he starts spouting that Roger Russell **** as THE truth, that crosses the line. It's a passive way to try to tell any of us that we're wrong, insane, and stupid.



    But yes, go right on ahead. This post is not copyrighted. ;)
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    Quote Originally Posted by concealer404 View Post
    I already adressed this, but i'll elaborate:

    Polk's speaker wire recommendations are rudimentary, at best. And that's how it should be, since they have no idea what speakers you just bought, what gear you're using to run it, and what your expectations are for your "perfect sound."

    Roger's table is just that, a table. A table of information, numbers, that nobody really cares about, other than people who like to use it to justify the REASON that they haven't tried any other cables.

    As was previously said... you have minimal to NO experience with cables, so you cannot even begin to give helpful input on the subject.


    And for Christ's sake.... why the HELL would anyone be so hung up on what they SEE on a TABLE or a VISUAL MEASURING DEVICE in a hobby that is about what you HEAR?

    Goddamn.


    That's like saying:

    "SDA 1.2TLs aren't aesthetically pleasing, they must sound like ****. I think i'll never even bother listening to them, but i'll tell everyone else that they sound like ****."

    Wtf is wrong with you? This is an aurul hobby, not ocular.
    Again we see the typical swearing and name calling. This is unfortunate.
    We learn not only by doing but by reading.
    You don't have to take drugs to know they are bad for you.
    You can learn this through education, which involves reading.
    Reading is a very efficient, cost effective, and productive method to acquire knowledge.
    Our civilization has made great progress based on this.
    Librairies were marvellous inventions.
    Our industries through technical publications and conference papers disseminate significant technical knowledge this way.

    There are plenty of on line sources that discuss the use of speaker wire and audio cables, as well as, the myths surrounding this subject.
    Let Google be your guide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xcapri79 View Post
    Again we see the typical swearing and name calling. This is unfortunate.
    We learn not only by doing but by reading.
    You don't have to take drugs to know they are bad for you.
    You can learn this through education, which involves reading.
    Reading is a very efficient, cost effective, and productive method to acquire knowledge.
    Our civilization has made great progress based on this.
    Librairies were marvellous inventions.
    Our industries through technical publications and conference papers disseminate significant technical knowledge this way.

    There are plenty of on line sources that discuss the use of speaker wire and audio cables, as well as, the myths surrounding this subject.
    Let Google be your guide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xcapri79 View Post
    Again we see the typical swearing and name calling. This is unfortunate.
    We learn not only by doing but by reading.
    You don't have to take drugs to know they are bad for you.
    You can learn this through education, which involves reading.
    Reading is a very efficient, cost effective, and productive method to acquire knowledge.
    Our civilization has made great progress based on this.
    Librairies were marvellous inventions.
    Our industries through technical publications and conference papers disseminate significant technical knowledge this way.

    There are plenty of on line sources that discuss the use of speaker wire and audio cables, as well as, the myths surrounding this subject.
    Let Google be your guide.

    I don't recall any name-calling. Here's a jab though, in light of that: You're delusional.

    Got it. Cables = drugs. Which are the good cables to hear? I want to READ about something that i HEAR. That'd be great. Oh, wait. No, i don't want to do that. I want to HEAR how something SOUNDS in MY setup. Now... if someone with the same exact components and room set that i had, had already tested every cable known to man, and wrote in depth thoughts about each, then yeah... i might want to read that. But then i'd still want to HEAR the difference, since that's what this hobby is about HEARING HEARING HEARING HEARING HEARING, because my EARS may be different than someone else's EARS.


    In this hobby of LISTENING, my library is my 2-channel rig. I will research by LISTENING.



    You sound like you just need to read about music. Go ahead and sell your audio equipment. You'll get the same enjoyment.

    Speaking of myths, here's one for you:

    ALL CABLES AND SPEAKER WIRE ARE THE SAME AND NOBODY CAN HEAR A DIFFERENCE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xcapri79 View Post
    Why is name calling and personal attack the best you can do?
    What are you talking about? The fact that you are a troll is well established. Therefore, my saying it is neither name calling or a personal attack.



    There are three straightforward questions below, please answer them.
    Do you dispute Polk Audio's speaker wire recommendation?
    Does it significantly differ from Roger Russell's table?
    If so, how?
    You seem to ignore the fact that Polk also mentions Monster Cable, Kimber Kable and AudioQuest, all of whom sell various cables not based on the wire gauge.
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