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    Default Major Upgrade My 2 Channel System

    Reason being: Nice big fat bonus check from HQ. I wish I had got it sooner so I could have taken advantage of some of the holiday sales, but I had to be sure first.

    Anyway, I like my LSi9s. and want to give them a shot with some new gear. If I need a speaker upgrade too, so be it. Right now, I am using them with the HSU sub for 2 channel (blasphemy, I know) and the Emotiva gear (MORE blasphemy!). It all sounds fine, and I like it. But right now, I can pretend that I am a branch of the US Government and throw a bunch of money at a problem that doesn't exist.

    I would like to keep it below 10K though. Even though I don't have to. I've been wanting to enlarge my listening room, and figured the easiest way to do it would be to knock down the walls with the stereo system (just kidding, dammit).

    I'm very attracted to Parasound gear for some reason. I like the Halo P3 preamp, and the A23 amp. The A21 amp seems to me like overkill for a pair of LSi9's. I'm going to lose the sub for the time being, to see how I like it that way.

    Good choices?? Any suggestions are welcome.

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    Non of what you listed is over kill for the 9's.

    BUY SOME TUBE GEAR, PERIOD

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    When I first found out the there was this thing called a "forum", I threw out there a question along the lines of "What would you do?" concerning my recently upgraded [at the time] rig. While it wasn't on this forum, our resident President, F1nut chimed in and advised me to look into another pair of speakers.

    That turned out to be excellent advice and I've been through 4 pairs since that first post after auditioning multiple hundreds of new and vintage speakers. That said, knowing what such good advice that was to me back then and knowing what I know now?

    I personally would advise auditioning sets of full range speakers to where you would not want a sub. With that kind of budget, the road you choose has many possibilities. With the leftover dollars I would also suggest looking into some tubed gear. Whatever you choose, just have fun, do some good research before purchasing and get your ears on as many pieces of gear you are interested in that you can.
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    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94173

    This thread might help to show you that you can do better than Emo and that the LSi series craves better gear so I wouldn't discard the LSi's without serious thought.

    A nice tubed pre-amp and killer amp will take you to heights you can't imagine.

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    I have a tube integrated amp setup in my front room. I like it a lot. It's a Chinese-made thing called "Music Angel". Massive transformers, the thing weighs a ton, uses KT88 tubes (4ea). It has a switch on the back to switch it from pentode to triode mode. I forget which mode does what, but one is 30wpc, the other is 65wpc. Sounds great, it's hooked up to a set of RTi6's. I have a Sony SACD player & a restored Dual turntable hooked up to it.

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    Galen Carol Audio is located in San Antonio: http://gcaudio.com/index.html

    Perhaps schedule an appointment and see what total systems they can offer you at say $5000, $7500, and $10000 price points?

    Also could see what source and amplification (and possibly cables) they could offer you to match your current Polks too.

    Even if a dealer only can offer you a modest discount off of retail, it might end up being cheaper than getting on the audio merry go round of randomly matching whatever component happens to be getting great reviews at any particular time. You may find that you are happy with the sound of the system put together by an experienced dealer and not feel the urge to upgrade for years to come.

    Good luck!




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    If you want to keep your LSi9's, get the x-overs modified. Skiingninja.com makes a very nice upgrade that will take up the performance ladder. Or, you can research this forum to read about x-over upgrades.

    As for amplification, a pair of Monarchy or Odyssey amps (either mono or stereo) paired with Conrad Johnson's just reissued Classic preamplifier. That will give you plenty of $$ remaining to search out a fine pair of speakers. Or, take a great vacation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markmarc View Post
    If you want to keep your LSi9's, get the x-overs modified. Skiingninja.com makes a very nice upgrade that will take up the performance ladder. Or, you can research this forum to read about x-over upgrades.

    As for amplification, a pair of Monarchy or Odyssey amps (either mono or stereo) paired with Conrad Johnson's just reissued Classic preamplifier. That will give you plenty of $$ remaining to search out a fine pair of speakers. Or, take a great vacation.
    This is a great suggestion.........mod the X-overs and a pair of Monarchy's with a nice tube pre and you will wet your pants in excitement.

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    Great advice on the x-overs in the LSi9's. I would do that first, let them break in, then evaluate. I didn't see anything in the original post that said you were on a short time period to get this done. I would then look for a tubed pre. The Halo amps are a great choice due to the high current and dynamic reserves, however I would suggest pairing the Halo power amps with a good tubed pre. I would take your time, one change at a time, and then you'll realize the improvement of each change, or the lack there of.
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    http://gcaudio.com/photos/Used/usedS...e_Pair_1_L.jpg

    These would be a pretty good start on 2 channel.
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    That's all excellent stuff guys, and thanks for the info on Galen Carol. I will have to pay them a visit when I return to the US next month.

    I think I might just buy myself a set of LSi15's (I don't like the idea of the powered sub in the LSi25). What might be some other options for full-range speakers?

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    The LSi15's suffer the same fate as the 9's, a mediocre x-over. You could buy a pair and do the upgrade.

    The Salk Song Towers starting at $1700 a pair are a phenomenal bargain. If you go used you can really raise the bar.
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    I'll second the Salk's.... Jim is a great dude. The HT 3 's are gorgeous. Throw in Legacy or Montana if you have the coin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carnut1420 View Post
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    See if you can demo the ASL Hurricane.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AudioFilet View Post
    What might be some other options for full-range speakers?
    Damn, nobody has any suggestions?

    Alright, I'll start out......

    Carver ALS's... The Plat's MKIV's, Plat's, Silvers or the original ALS's [Do research]
    Tyler Acoustic's Linbrooks or Woodmere series. Maybe the Decade series.
    Infinity makes a couple in your price range...
    The Big boy Polk's...1.2tl's, 2.3tl's....

    The cat asked a simple question that many of you have much more experience than I at...help a brother out and do what it is we normally do. That being spend his money for him. Well, what's your suggestion?
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    I'd listen to some Totem speakers before I made a final decision. I'd also listen to the EPOS floorstanders.
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    Well, I bought the Emo XPA-2 for starters. I figure if I don't like it, I can send it back & get something else. The price, specs & trial period made that choice easy.

    Hooked it all up last night & got it going. This thing just sounds HUGE! My LSi9's are now 10 feet tall! It's way too bright though. So, I hooked up this disgusting little FM tuner I have to burn it in. Let it go all night & tried it again this afternoon. Quite a noticeable improvement, but still too bright. My plan is to leave the tuner going on it at a low volume while I go to New Orleans for the weekend & party my stinking face off. Probably get back Wednesday night.

    Enough time for a burn in??
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    Too bad you didn;t do a major upgrade like your original title implies.

    Emo = entry level. I'm guessing you no longer have the $10K to spend if you bought another Emo.

    I'm disappointed, you seemed you really wanted to step it up. I've owned LSi's and anything that sounds this bright out of the box is not a good piece of gear. It's very hard to make LSi's sound bright.

    Oh well good luck

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    Since you have it allready, try changing out the IC'S to a warmer sounding one. Bogden audio makes some warm sounding ic's you may like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AudioFilet View Post
    That's all excellent stuff guys, and thanks for the info on Galen Carol. I will have to pay them a visit when I return to the US next month.

    I think I might just buy myself a set of LSi15's (I don't like the idea of the powered sub in the LSi25). What might be some other options for full-range speakers?
    The LSi25's sound better than the LSi15's in my opinion.
    I just replaced a pair of 15's with 25's on my master bedroom system.

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    LSi9's sounding bright? Who would've thought that....

    I'll keep my other thoughts to myself. Good that you can still send that amp back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ricardo View Post
    LSi9's sounding bright? Who would've thought that....

    I'll keep my other thoughts to myself. Good that you can still send that amp back.
    Detailed perhaps? RTi's are bright, but not the LSi's.
    My LSi 25's, 15's and 9's sound great using the Emotiva XPA-5, XPA-3, LPA-1 and UPA-2 amps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AudioFilet View Post
    Well, I bought the Emo XPA-2 for starters. I figure if I don't like it, I can send it back & get something else. The price, specs & trial period made that choice easy.

    Hooked it all up last night & got it going. This thing just sounds HUGE! My LSi9's are now 10 feet tall! It's way too bright though. So, I hooked up this disgusting little FM tuner I have to burn it in. Let it go all night & tried it again this afternoon. Quite a noticeable improvement, but still too bright. My plan is to leave the tuner going on it at a low volume while I go to New Orleans for the weekend & party my stinking face off. Probably get back Wednesday night.

    Enough time for a burn in??
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    Detailed perhaps? RTi's are bright, but not the LSi's.
    Sorry capri, didn't know you were also there listening
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    Quote Originally Posted by xcapri79 View Post
    Detailed perhaps? RTi's are bright, but not the LSi's.
    That's the point. Paradigm Esprit V.3s are not bright, either. But they were bright as all hell with a certain component swapped into the rest of my system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ricardo View Post
    Sorry capri, didn't know you were also there listening
    I'm listening here at home. Just set up a pair of RTi12's that were delivered to my home this afternoon.
    I listened to my LSi9's this morning.
    My home is my personal Polk Audio heaven.:p

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    Polk Audio LSi25,15, CSi5, LSiFX, PSW505 x 4

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    The "brightness" being relative to what it was with the other amp, which I allowed to burn in before cranking it up. It's a brand new amp, and the sound quality is improving nicely as it burns in. I'm a little impatient I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AudioFilet View Post
    The "brightness" being relative to what it was with the other amp, which I allowed to burn in before cranking it up. It's a brand new amp, and the sound quality is improving nicely as it burns in. I'm a little impatient I guess.
    So what about this major 2ch upgrade, no more than $10K project? Ever going to go there or just talk about it :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by xcapri79 View Post
    I'm listening here at home. Just set up a pair of RTi12's that were delivered to my home this afternoon.
    I listened to my LSi9's this morning.
    My home is my personal Polk Audio heaven.:p
    Ricardo's comment went right over your head.....................I'm not surprised

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    Quote Originally Posted by heiney9 View Post
    Emo = entry level. I'm guessing you no longer have the $10K to spend if you bought another Emo.

    H9
    Still got plenty of cash for this upgrade, and I'm gonna do it till I'm satisfied. I think some consider Emo entry level simply because of the price. That's really too bad. To me, that's a narrow-minded way of thinking.

    I don't know. Maybe it is entry-level. But I'm not just going to take somebody else's word for it. I'll find out for myself & have fun doing it. I'm curious.

    I'm an Electronics Technician in the offshore oilfield industry. I work with & repair electronics gear that most people wouldn't know exists. Fun stuff. Most of it on a par with MilSpec gear.

    So, I can say this about Emo gear after examining the innards of 3 pieces. The build quality is actually quite good, better than I expected. The layouts are well done, and the workmanship is fine. Not spectacular, but quite good. I see nothing wrong with build quality here.

    Whether or not I will be satisfied with the sound remains to bee seen. Right now I'm enjoying it, so far so good.

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