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    Hi all. New to the forum. Started in 2008 with RTiA5 and a PSW125, an RM10 5-pack that includes some small surrounds and centre. Upgraded to a CSiA6 centre and last week the FXiA4s for surrounds. I'm using 2 RM's for Surround Backs only now.

    I've set all the speakers to small, 80 as the crossover. I've bi-wired my mains and centre. Powering the setup is a Yamaha HTR-6060 (specs below). I could bi-amp the mains using my surround back channel but I need those for gaming.

    The space is small, about 10ft between me and any speaker.

    I use the system for movies and ps3. I use the calibration mic to setup the system and it sounds great to me but ... I've been advised that my receiver might be underpowered.

    Is it likely I've not yet tapped into the polks potential? Can someone help me to justify getting a new receiver. :) Or maybe an simple amplifier?


    YAMAHA HTR6060
    AUDIO SECTION
    • Minimum RMS Output Power for Front, Center, Surround,
    Surround back
    1 kHz, 0.7% THD, 8 Ω .................................................. ..... 105 W
    • Dynamic Power (IHF)
    Front L/R, 8/6/4/2 Ω ...................................... 120/155/190/235 W
    • Maximum Output Power [Europe model]
    1 kHz, 0.7% THD, 4 Ω .................................................. ..... 140 W
    • Dynamic Headroom
    8 Ω .................................................. .................................... 1.4 dB
    • IEC Output Power [Europe model]
    Front L/R, 1 kHz, 0.06% THD, 8 Ω ................................... 100 W
    • Damping Factor (IHF)
    Front L/R, SPEAKERS A, 20 Hz to 20 kHz, 8 Ω
    .................................................. ............................... 120 or more
    • Input Sensitivity/Input Impedance
    PHONO (MM).............................................. .......... 3.5 mV/47 kΩ
    CD, etc. .................................................. ............... 200 mV/47 kΩ
    MULTI CH INPUT ............................................... 200 mV/47 kΩ
    • Maximum Input Voltage
    PHONO (MM)
    1 kHz, 0.1% THD .............................................. 60 mV or more
    CD, etc.
    Effect On, 1 kHz, 0.5% THD .............................. 2.3 V or more
    • Rated Output Voltage/Output Impedance
    OUT (REC) .................................................. ........ 200 mV/1.2 kΩ
    PRE OUT .................................................. ................ 1.0 V/1.2 kΩ
    SUBWOOFER (2ch Stereo, FRONT SP: SMALL)
    .................................................. .............................. 1.0 V/1.2 kΩ
    • Headphone Jack Rated Output/Impedance
    CD, etc. (1 kHz, 50 mV, 8 Ω) ............................... 150 mV/100 Ω
    • Frequency Response
    CD to Front L/R, 10 Hz to 100 kHz
    .................................................. .................................... +0/–3 dB
    • RIAA Equalization Deviation
    PHONO (MM) .................................................. ............ 0 ą 0.5 dB
    • Total Harmonic Distortion
    PHONO (MM) to OUT (REC)
    20 Hz to 20 kHz, 1 V ............................................ 0.02% or less
    CD, etc. to Front L/R
    2ch Stereo, 20 Hz to 20 kHz, 50 W, 8 Ω .............. 0.06% or less
    • Signal to Noise Ratio (IHF-A Network)
    PHONO (MM, 5 mV) to Front L/R
    [U.S.A. and Canada models] ................................. 86 dB or more
    [Europe model]
    .................................................. ........................... 81 dB or more
    CD, etc. (Effect Off, 250 mV) to Front L/R
    .................................................. ......................... 100 dB or more
    • Residual Noise (IHF-A Network)
    Front L/R .................................................. ............. 150 μV or less
    • Channel Separation (1 kHz/10 kHz)
    PHONO (shortened) to Front L/R ............... 60 dB/55 dB or more
    CD, etc.
    (5.1 kΩ shortened) to Front L/R ............... 60 dB/45 dB or more
    • Tone Control (Front L/R)
    BASS Boost/Cut .................................................. ... ą10 dB/50 Hz
    BASS Turnover Frequency ................................................. 350 Hz
    TREBLE Boost/Cut .............................................. ą10 dB/20 kHz
    TREBLE Turnover Frequency ........................................... 3.5 kHz
    • Volume Control ...................................... MUTE/–80 dB to 16.5 dB
    • Filter Characteristics (fc=40/60/80/90/100/110/120/160/200 Hz)
    H.P.F.
    (FRONT SP, CENTER SP, SUR. L/R SP, SUR. B L/R SP:
    SMALL/SML) .................................................. ..........12 dB/oct.
    L.P.F. (Subwoofer) .................................................. .......24 dB/oct.

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    Welcome fellow Canuck! where in ON are you?

    As for being underpowered, I'd say you could do much worse. You could also benefit from an external amp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Willow View Post
    Welcome fellow Canuck! where in ON are you?

    As for being underpowered, I'd say you could do much worse. You could also benefit from an external amp.
    Another Canadian Eh? How convenient! :) I sell hondas out in brampton but live in oakville. You?

    I was thinking about a simple 2 channel amp and suggested some sort of used 'adcom 5?5' but my advisor spoke confidently about how they suffer from 'leakage'. I don't even know what an OHM is but 'leakage' I understand.

    I can't describe sound yet, but I yearn for clarity at low volume levels since I'm in a condo. My neighbours must be angels cause they've only come knocking once but I know I'm turning it up too loud to hear what I think I should be hearing.

    What do you think, a two channel amp for the fronts? Thanks!

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    Welcome to Club Polk wayneniamat! There are lot's of Canucks on this forum. Have fun.

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    Welcome to the club.......I think your just ok with that set-up.......

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    Your speakers are efficient and you say it sounds great, why do anything?

    ANy 20+ year old SS amp has the potential for leaky or dried up caps. If you can find a nice deal on one that is working good or recently rebuilt then go for it. It will make lower level listening more detailed but then its like having a fast car that you can only do 55 MPH.

    MIght try a ANthem Amp 1, they were made somewhere near you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wayneniamat View Post
    Another Canadian Eh? How convenient! :) I sell hondas out in brampton but live in oakville. You?

    I was thinking about a simple 2 channel amp and suggested some sort of used 'adcom 5?5' but my advisor spoke confidently about how they suffer from 'leakage'. I don't even know what an OHM is but 'leakage' I understand.

    I can't describe sound yet, but I yearn for clarity at low volume levels since I'm in a condo. My neighbours must be angels cause they've only come knocking once but I know I'm turning it up too loud to hear what I think I should be hearing.

    What do you think, a two channel amp for the fronts? Thanks!
    I work for CRA, dowtown Ottawa but live in Orleans.

    An amp be it 2 ch or more will help, you will hear everything needed without having to turn it up. That is one of things I noticed when I bought my first amps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Willow View Post
    I work for CRA, dowtown Ottawa but live in Orleans.

    An amp be it 2 ch or more will help, you will hear everything needed without having to turn it up. That is one of things I noticed when I bought my first amps.
    Thanks. Suggestions where to find a db meter? db meter rental?

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    Welcome. I work in Brampton =P. Which Honda do you work for? I go to Suzuki Brampton sometimes for my bike parts.

    Check out CanuckAudioMart website for good deals on local 2-channel amps. Good Adcom GFA-545, 555 or 555II, or newer 5400 usually go pretty cheap. Personally, I did not like how Adcom sounded with Polk speakers - too much forwardness and brightness. Carver will give you a bit calmer sound (TFM-24/25?). I found older HK Citation BJT-based amp really calmed down my Polk RT-series speakers and opened them up the most.

    (I am sorry, I really don't like Yamaha - every speakers I tried with new(er) Yammy receivers/amps sounded way too bright to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wayneniamat View Post
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    I was thinking about a simple 2 channel amp and suggested some sort of used 'adcom 5?5' but my advisor spoke confidently about how they suffer from 'leakage'. I don't even know what an OHM is but 'leakage' I understand....

    What do you think, a two channel amp for the fronts? Thanks!
    Only two amps from Adcom suffered from some Elna caps. Those 2 amps were the 585, and the 565 mono block. All the others were free from the defective Elna caps. I ran a two channel amp for a while. You will need to setup the calibration to cut left and right channels.
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    These would work just fine and not to bad of price. You could prob talk him down.

    http://www.usedottawa.com/classified-ad/11300588

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willow View Post
    These would work just fine and not to bad of price. You could prob talk him down.

    http://www.usedottawa.com/classified-ad/11300588

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    They look badass considering they only put out 125 watts rms. I would imagine that is a very conservative rating and they probably have loads of dynamic headroom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hearingimpared View Post
    They look badass considering they only put out 125 watts rms. I would imagine that is a very conservative rating and they probably have loads of dynamic headroom.
    If they are anything like the Ma700, which I had 2 of they kicked major butt. They are heavy and well built with the classic Marantz sound. If I had 200-250 extra and wanted to sell my Sonace, I'd buy these. Not to mention I don't have the space either for them in my audio cabinet for my 2 ch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Willow View Post
    If they are anything like the Ma700, which I had 2 of they kicked major butt. They are heavy and well built with the classic Marantz sound. If I had 200-250 extra and wanted to sell my Sonace, I'd buy these. Not to mention I don't have the space either for them in my audio cabinet for my 2 ch.
    There are plenty of floor level amp stands to be had. Mapleshade makes a really nice one with heavy brass footers and made of maple . . . but it is very expensive.

    http://shop.mapleshadestore.com/departments.asp?dept=46

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    Quote Originally Posted by hearingimpared View Post
    There are plenty of floor level amp stands to be had. Mapleshade makes a really nice one with heavy brass footers and made of maple . . . but it is very expensive.

    http://shop.mapleshadestore.com/departments.asp?dept=46
    As tempting as it may be, I have other $$ priorities in the coming weeks...like my 10 day snorkeling trip in Akumal! :D
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    Quote Originally Posted by Willow View Post
    As tempting as it may be, I have other $$ priorities in the coming weeks...like my 10 day snorkeling trip in Akumal! :D
    Good for you Bro, make sure to take plenty of pics to post here.

    My priorities are, just being broke!:D

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    Quote Originally Posted by hearingimpared View Post
    Good for you Bro, make sure to take plenty of pics to post here.

    My priorities are, just being broke!:D
    Not to thread jack....but I will and this is it, We have the Olympus Waterproof camera, this will be the first time I really get to use it and I have 3x 2gig chips just wating to be used. I took pics in a pool and while in the ocean but never swimming with fish and turtles.

    Anyway to the OP, these amps would make a big difference on your set up.
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