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    Default Need some advice, Older Marantz Receivers.

    Ok, looks like I'm bit by a big bug here, recently picked up a pair of older Polk Monitor/Model 5 very large bookies/small towers depending on how you look at them with Peerless tweeters. Now starting the hunt for an older Marantz receiver to run them with. They are gorgeous speakers to say the least and deserve to have some vintage power thrown at them. Questions...

    What to look for ?

    What models would be recommended for my speakers ?

    Is a guy posting a 2325 for a grand Canadian on glue ?

    Someone once told me the model number conventions for the 2 channel older stuff that led to the power rating but I forgot it DUH.

    Noting the HK 3375 powering them right now pushes 75wpc of modern power, I'm sure the old Polks can function well with lesser vintage power. In other words I'm no expert in old gear...so I'm humbly asking for help. Thanks in advance folks.
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    I have a 2252B in my office rig running RTA12B's. Love it!
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    1000 for a 2325? Yeah, NO WAY! But I have seen people think they can get that on ebay?

    That unit is 125 watts by 2 into 8 ohms certainly a fine example of vintage equipment and YES you don't need that much power for some Monitors. I run my 10As on a 2265 that gives them PLENTY of power!

    HK and vintage Marantz power? I have an HK 3490 120 W x 2 right. But only 23 lbs.

    The 2265 is 36 lbs and only 65 W x 2. Think there might be a build quality difference there? The unit actually draws a little more wattage from the wall than the HK does as well!

    Dskip runs some difficult loads on an even lower model Marantz with no problem!

    Most models should sound good with vintage Monitors.

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    Dude, seriously, any Marantz should work. If that 2216 can handle the speakers I've thrown at it with the finesse it does, you're not going to have ANY issues pushing those M5's with any in the family. But....

    The 2216 with the SL2000 was a very good pairing. The warmth of the Marantz helped tone down that bite the tweeters have. After hearing them with the Peerless, I found that I longed for the SL2000 again. Going with the 2238 or higher might help a bit as I hear they aren't quite as 'tubey' as the lower powered units.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nbrowser View Post
    That's a beauty for sure but the guy is definitely sniffing glue! There are no upgrades or even recapping mentioned which might lead one to think about spending half that sum if it was completely rebuilt and updated--even though I would not!

    Dskip is right, almost "any" unit will drive some 5s. I'd look for something between 100-200 dollars in decent shape. It might take a while to find one, but you WILL if you look long enough!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSkip View Post
    Dude, seriously, any Marantz should work. If that 2216 can handle the speakers I've thrown at it with the finesse it does, you're not going to have ANY issues pushing those M5's with any in the family. But....

    The 2216 with the SL2000 was a very good pairing. The warmth of the Marantz helped tone down that bite the tweeters have. After hearing them with the Peerless, I found that I longed for the SL2000 again. Going with the 2238 or higher might help a bit as I hear they aren't quite as 'tubey' as the lower powered units.
    Eh I got stuck with Peerless tweeters...lol moving along, I'm looking in the 2226-2230ish range, as they are more affordable than that blasted 2325 (although I'd love to have it...but) I know the M5s aren't leaving...I'm loving them, it's time to juice them appropriately if you know what I mean.
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    Don't dog those Peerless because they are better tweeters than the SL2000. In this hobby, you have to consider the system and not just a single component in the system. For the 2216, it mated better with the harshness of the 2000 rather than the smoothness of the Peerless, nothing more.
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    Have to agree there. I put a set of Monitor 7s with SL2000s in them on an old Kenwood KA-7300 integrated and I could not believe what I was hearing on the top end? Nothing like what "anyone" has ever described for the SL2000s that are so maligned. They were oh so smooth and the imaging was off the charts!

    Synergy, she's fickle!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSkip View Post
    Don't dog those Peerless because they are better tweeters than the SL2000. In this hobby, you have to consider the system and not just a single component in the system. For the 2216, it mated better with the harshness of the 2000 rather than the smoothness of the Peerless, nothing more.
    I'm not doggin em honest ! They sound great, spent the better part of the weekend listening to them (non-critical) and was amazed at how the older classic rock sounded on them, almost like the speakers were made for that kinda music.
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    I like the 5a's & with the 2216b its a great match up
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    Quote Originally Posted by nbrowser View Post
    that is one sweet unit - better rob a bank
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    Quote Originally Posted by boston1450 View Post
    that is one sweet unit - better rob a bank
    Yeahhhhhhh a grand ain't worth it for what I now consider a play toy...sure the living system is a kick butt powerhouse, the most powerful I've ever had, the bedroom system is one I can play with...roll speakers in and out etc...hehe
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    Ok....whats the diff between a 2216 and a 2216B ?
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    The 2216b has a b after the numbers
    Honestly i have no idea. The lettering ? 2216b has no slide balancer . It may be the back panel of the tuner window area ? Good question. Maybe Carl will chime in
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    2216 was earlier and probably weighs about 5 lbs more than the "B" version - numerous differences in the guts; performance-wise, probably pretty comparable.

    EDIT: Actually... was there an unsuffixed 2216? I know there was a 2215 unsuffixed, and a 2215B - had one of each... not sure about the 2216.

    FWIW, I am just not a fan of Superscope-era Marantz... but I know that y'all like them and they sell for stoopit $ (i.e., nice flipping/investing opportunities)





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    Mine is a 2216 and distinctly different from Randy's 2216B. The 2216 is a featherweight - I couldn't imagine the B being that much lighter.
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    The 2215 was a monster - well, at least in the context of a 15 wpc receiver. The 2215B was more typically constructed for an entry-level product (which is what they were). Interestingly, by the time that the 2216B had morphed to the 2218 (probably ca. 1977 or 78) there was a truly entry-level series of Marantz receivers - the 15xx line.



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    You guys are awesome, anyone ever tell ya'll that ? Thanks and the hunt is now ON !
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    MHardy, that's an awesome post. Here's a list of all of 'em including production years and MSRP. Not quite as detailed as MHardy's brochure but it's got the basics

    http://www.classicaudio.com/value/mz/
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    Amps: Rotel RB-990bx | Marantz MA-500 | Speakers: Totem Mite : Totem Mite-C : RC60i | Sub: HSU VTF-2 MKIV

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    Ok...looking at a gone over 2226...looks nice, has had a LED conversion and all controls cleaned/lubed...discussing with the seller about bringing my old Polks for an audition, seems he's ok with that.
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    Mark is right that 2215 is about 4 lbs heavier then its successor, the 2215B, weighing in at almost 25lbs for a unit rated 15 watts x 2.

    Have never heard a 2226 but you should be fine if you can get a good price. Good heft at almost 29 lbs.

    http://www.classic-audio.com/marantz/2226.html

    Should have no problem powering the 5s!

    Good luck!

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    You know, with all the technical advancements over the years, the stuff we as humans have been able to do and here I sit looking for a receiver made in the '70s cuz they will help my early '80s speakers sound real good...what the heck happened to me ? lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by nbrowser View Post
    You know, with all the technical advancements over the years, the stuff we as humans have been able to do and here I sit looking for a receiver made in the '70s cuz they will help my early '80s speakers sound real good...what the heck happened to me ? lol
    You've entered a dimension of sound, a dimension of sight, and dimension of mind, you just crossed over into The Vintage Zone.

    A lot of those early receivers, integrateds were tilted toward the sound that preceded solid state, "tube sound", and that's part of what's going on. It's a little warmer, a little less detailed, a bit more rolled off on the top end than the "surgical precision" of the more technically advanced cutting edge SState of the present. As long as it sounds good, who cares?

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    hrmmm Also considering a 1030....or a 1060 intergrated...don't really need a tuner...hrmmmm
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    Vintage speakers + vintage Marantz = desire for a vintage VCR

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    Hermit...you can take your VCR and shove it where the sun don't shine dude...lol
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    So that's a maybe?
    Pioneer Elite SC-05 | Pioneer BDP-51FD, Pangea AC-14 PC
    Sony Bravia KDL-46S4100 | Dish HDTV
    Monster PowerCenter HTS 5000
    Polk: RTi8 Towers, CSi3 Center, F/Xi3 Surrounds | Polk Subs: PSW125-12", PSW303-8"
    Douglas Connection: Furez DCF124BW, DCF92 SC's
    AudioQuest Chocolate HDMI | Monster: M-Series M850SW, Ultra 1000FO Toslink, Ultra 800 HDMI IC's
    Acoustic Treatments OC703 | Dynamat: Components, Baskets

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    Hermit...that's a definite NO! lol

    Anyways, the 2226 fell through, now aiming sights on a 2230B...been refreshed.
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    Onkyo TX-NR717
    Parasound HCA-1200II > Polk Audio RTi A7 Black Front
    Polk Audio RTi A3 Black Rear
    Polk Audio CSiA6 Center
    Tannoy TS2.12 Sub
    Marantz CD6004
    Apple Mac Mini
    Apple TV 3rd Gen
    Sony PS3 160Gb/Microsoft XBox 360
    Insignia 55 inch 120Hz TV

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    Harman Kardon HK 3490/HK 3375
    A:Onkyo SKF-4800 Towers Black
    B:Polk Monitor (Model) 5 with Peerless Tweets
    Polk PSW108
    PS3 320Gb
    Insignia 39 inch 60Hz TV

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