Need a Sub Recommendation! Blew the MM12, 2nd one after 36 hour break-in

97FordExp.XLT · 05-04-2004, 04:41 AM

Talk about being pissed off. Yesterday after taking it slow and breaking it in for 36 hours since April 7,2004., the s.o.b. smoked again. Yes, again! WTF!? Mark my words I will never buy from Polk again, well except for their home stereo line. (drools - contradicting I know LOL) I do admit they have superior sound, but the rating of 500Watts is b.s! The irony is the same song blew out the second sub as the first sub, go figure. I'm not here to trash Polk either, just a personal preference from now on. I do NOT want this thread to go into a trashing session. capice?

Anyways, despite being ticked off, I need recommendations for a new sub with or without an enclosure. A name brand with specifics is necessary including the series please. Websites are not necessary because I will go on a massive researching session soon. My amp can handle either 500Watts mono bridged 4ohm x 1, 250Watts x 2 at 2ohms per channel, OR 125Watts x 2 at 4ohms.

I am looking for loaded subwoofer enclosures that can handle the the values stated above as minimums for the amount of RMS. I will respond to anyone who answers and even get into detail about the MM12 too, but would rather not because then it will get into an arguement and take away from my purpose of this thread.

LittleCar_w/12s · 05-04-2004, 09:56 AM

are those RMS wattage for that amp?
-Jerry

97FordExp.XLT · 05-04-2004, 10:40 AM

bknauss · 05-04-2004, 12:41 PM

What amp exactly is it?

exalted512 · 05-04-2004, 02:32 PM

I'm guessing punch 500S
I did the same thing with my first 2 mm120...cracked the spyder on both of em
-Cody

05-04-2004, 11:08 PM

man, either u guys got some of the mm12 from the 'bad batch' or i've just been hella lucky, i am running mine of a rockford fostage punch 500s, i did about 16 hours of break in, and then from there on for the next 8 hours of play or so i gradually cranked it up... it POUNDS man...

but other than the polk, i would check out the adire shiva, i've heard its about the best bang for the bucks by far... i've also heard good things about the kicker s10l7 which would be about right for you amp, however i would stay away from just about anything else kicker

97FordExp.XLT · 05-04-2004, 11:52 PM

The amp is a Rockford Fosgate P5002. I put the specifications for power ratings, RMS values.

The bad batch would make no sense because when I returned it under warranty the first time I didn't send it back to who I bought it at sounddomain.com, I sent it back directly to CA to Polk.

See my last thread was asking advice for breaking in the MM12 and I did it exactly. I just don't understand and don't even want to. Just annoying as hell.

exalted512 · 05-05-2004, 12:22 AM

id be pissed too
as a matter of fact, i was pissed when i had to send both of mine back--but i was happy to know i would be getting the new style back...
shiva's a nice sub but their power rating is below 500 i think...
not that it couldnt handle 500, cuz im sure it can
-Cody

97FordExp.XLT · 05-05-2004, 12:39 AM

LOL, this is the replacement subwoofer I fried! This was a replacement from the Polk factory. I don't know why, if it was a recalled subwoofer, I got the recall and not a new series. Clearly they know which are the bad batch through serial numbers.

I will look into the Shiva. I believe it's also linked with Brahma too.

exalted512 · 05-05-2004, 02:12 AM

the brahma can be run at 500 watts--probably be best ported though
theres a place...like soundfoundations.org or something...its not .com
but they sell the 10" for 330 with free shipping
and if you ever want to get a bigger amp...it handles 1600watts RMS
can we say HOLY SH!T?
lol
-Cody

97FordExp.XLT · 05-05-2004, 02:27 AM

well atleast it will be hard to blow up lol

05-05-2004, 02:02 PM

Pheonix Gold Ti's VERY cheap right now, awesome subs for the money.

Type R's also of course...

Resonant engineering HC,SE there both cheap right now....

Elemental Designs K or O series would work for you also....

Try to stay away from polk....much better out there for the money.

exalted512 · 05-05-2004, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Altec88

Try to stay away from polk....much better out there for the money.

what do you run?
$180 for a 500 watt 12" momo sub in an enclosure seems like a pretty good deal to me
-Cody

bknauss · 05-05-2004, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by exalted512
the brahma can be run at 500 watts--probably be best ported though
theres a place...like soundfoundations.org or something...its not .com
but they sell the 10" for 330 with free shipping
and if you ever want to get a bigger amp...it handles 1600watts RMS
can we say HOLY SH!T?
lol
-Cody

soundillusions.com I believe

05-06-2004, 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by exalted512
what do you run?
$180 for a 500 watt 12" momo sub in an enclosure seems like a pretty good deal to me
-Cody

180$ can buy you 2 12" Phoenix Gold Ti's.....MUCH better subs, can't beat the price. 90$ for 18mm of xmax? Awesome.

I run a Resonant Engineering 15" XXX of a Brutus 1500d

exalted512 · 05-06-2004, 12:16 AM

its this one:
http://www.sound-foundations.us//cat...hp?cPath=22_23
really nice people to deal with
the owner of it is a very active poster on www.caraudiotalk.com
hes the one that has a signature with sound foundations on it
-Cody

neomagus00 · 05-07-2004, 01:22 AM

i think the recent disagreements with altec88 are due to the fact that s/he appears to be an spl person, while the people on this forum are primarily sq people, at least over straight-up spl.

altec - am i right, are you spl? ported enclosures, 15" XXX, you consider value linked directly to xmax...

btw, i'm not ripping on you if you are, i'm just wondering (wandering??

)

exalted512 · 05-07-2004, 01:53 AM

while resonance engineering's XXX is more of an SPL sub than sq, it still maintains pretty good SQ
ive never heard one personally, but id venture to say equal to that of the momo
-Cody

neomagus00 · 05-07-2004, 01:56 AM

i was focusing more on the fact that it was a 15, but i was under the impression that XXX was a pure spl sub... his argument is now 1/2 point stronger

05-08-2004, 10:21 PM

whoa whoa whoa.......

The XXX is a SQL sub...It is one of the leading SQ drivers out there today....and it gets loud when you want it too

If i'm ported i'm automatically a SPL person? That means nothing, many people prefer ported for SQ.....just cause its ported, it doesn't mean it sounds bad

"while resonance engineering's XXX is more of an SPL sub than sq, it still maintains pretty good SQ
ive never heard one personally, but id venture to say equal to that of the momo"

The XXX should NEVER be compared to the momo in SQ, the momo is clearly out of the XXX's league.

I prefer SQ over SPL.

exalted512 · 05-09-2004, 12:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Altec88
The XXX should NEVER be compared to the momo in SQ, the momo is clearly out of the XXX's league.

yeah i thought so but i didnt no for sure
compared to the brahma, the XXX is geared a little more for SPL but still maintains great SQ
15" subs being only for SPL is not true anymore for high end drivers
some ppl PREFER 15s over 12s for sq setups because of the low end advantage they have
and like he said, many people do run ported boxes for SQ
with programs like winisd available for free to everyone, its very easy for anyone to make a great sounding ported box
im going to get a couple of brahmas in a few months and i might run them ported
im not sure yet though...i like the idea of having a small box
-Cody

neomagus00 · 05-10-2004, 11:32 AM

altec - i didn't know, which is why i asked.

cody - maybe you can try them in both... make a good sealed and a properly tuned ported, then post results?

djenkins_2k · 05-26-2004, 04:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jordann
... i've also heard good things about the kicker s10l7 which would be about right for you amp, however i would stay away from just about anything else kicker

What do you have against Kicker? Is it just the subs, 'cause I have dual KX-600.4 amps that are GREAT!

05-26-2004, 09:51 AM

i know how ya feel man i blew my momo2124 and have to send it back but i dident really let it break in.i went for like a week then cranked it but it lasted preatty long.

06-08-2004, 02:45 AM

Kicker all around is a great mid-level company. Amps are underated, and decently priced.

There subs are nice also, from pure SPL subs to decent entry level subs. All well priced also.

The L7's are the loudest sub for the dollar IMO.....

05-04-2004, 04:41 AM	#1
97FordExp.XLT Polkie Member Sales Rating: (0) Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Montana Posts: 20	Need a Sub Recommendation! Blew the MM12, 2nd one after 36 hour break-in Talk about being pissed off. Yesterday after taking it slow and breaking it in for 36 hours since April 7,2004., the s.o.b. smoked again. Yes, again! WTF!? Mark my words I will never buy from Polk again, well except for their home stereo line. (drools - contradicting I know LOL) I do admit they have superior sound, but the rating of 500Watts is b.s! The irony is the same song blew out the second sub as the first sub, go figure. I'm not here to trash Polk either, just a personal preference from now on. I do NOT want this thread to go into a trashing session. capice? Anyways, despite being ticked off, I need recommendations for a new sub with or without an enclosure. A name brand with specifics is necessary including the series please. Websites are not necessary because I will go on a massive researching session soon. My amp can handle either 500Watts mono bridged 4ohm x 1, 250Watts x 2 at 2ohms per channel, OR 125Watts x 2 at 4ohms. I am looking for loaded subwoofer enclosures that can handle the the values stated above as minimums for the amount of RMS. I will respond to anyone who answers and even get into detail about the MM12 too, but would rather not because then it will get into an arguement and take away from my purpose of this thread. __________________ '97 Ford Explorer XLT - Clarion Pro Audio Reciever - RF 500Watt Amp Bridged - 2nd MM12 smoked from replacement warranty - Infinity Kappa 5x7" rear doors - Infinity Reference 5x7" with tweeter front doors - Kenwood 60x4 4 Channel Amp - Lightning Audio 1 Farad Capacitor with distribution and digital voltage monitor A society whose citizens refuse to see and investigate the facts, who refuse to believe that their govt and their media will routinely lie to them and fabricate a reality contrary to verifiable facts, is a society that chooses and deserves the Police State Dictatorship its going to get. "Every great advance in... knowledge has involved the absolute rejection of authority. ~Thomas Jefferson. EXERCISE YOUR RIGHTS and DONT BE A MINDLESS ZOMBIE, THINK FOR YOURSELF!

05-04-2004, 09:56 AM	#2
LittleCar_w/12s Polkazoid Member Sales Rating: (0) Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Maryland Posts: 572	are those RMS wattage for that amp? -Jerry __________________ ___________________________ Total cost of materials: Going up... Time spent: Countless Hours... Cranking the system, having it quiet outside the car, and sound that takes the rear-view off inside: PRICELESS For some things in life, you pay others to do it... For a masterpeice, do it yourself.

05-07-2004, 01:22 AM	#17
neomagus00 Polk Expert Member Sales Rating: (0) Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 4,000	i think the recent disagreements with altec88 are due to the fact that s/he appears to be an spl person, while the people on this forum are primarily sq people, at least over straight-up spl. altec - am i right, are you spl? ported enclosures, 15" XXX, you consider value linked directly to xmax... btw, i'm not ripping on you if you are, i'm just wondering (wandering?? ) __________________ It's not good, very fundamentally simply not good. - geolemon "Its not good enough until we have real-time fearmongering. I want my fear mongered as it happens." - Shizelbs

05-04-2004, 10:40 AM	#3
97FordExp.XLT Polkie Member Sales Rating: (0) Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Montana Posts: 20	Yes

05-04-2004, 12:41 PM	#4
bknauss Polk Engineer Member Sales Rating: (1) Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Gaithersburg, MD / Cubicle Posts: 1,409	What amp exactly is it?

05-04-2004, 11:08 PM	#6
Jordann Guest Posts: n/a	man, either u guys got some of the mm12 from the 'bad batch' or i've just been hella lucky, i am running mine of a rockford fostage punch 500s, i did about 16 hours of break in, and then from there on for the next 8 hours of play or so i gradually cranked it up... it POUNDS man... but other than the polk, i would check out the adire shiva, i've heard its about the best bang for the bucks by far... i've also heard good things about the kicker s10l7 which would be about right for you amp, however i would stay away from just about anything else kicker

05-04-2004, 11:52 PM	#7
97FordExp.XLT Polkie Member Sales Rating: (0) Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Montana Posts: 20	The amp is a Rockford Fosgate P5002. I put the specifications for power ratings, RMS values. The bad batch would make no sense because when I returned it under warranty the first time I didn't send it back to who I bought it at sounddomain.com, I sent it back directly to CA to Polk. See my last thread was asking advice for breaking in the MM12 and I did it exactly. I just don't understand and don't even want to. Just annoying as hell.

05-05-2004, 12:22 AM	#8
exalted512 Polk Guru Member Sales Rating: (1) Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: College Station, TX Posts: 8,626	id be pissed too as a matter of fact, i was pissed when i had to send both of mine back--but i was happy to know i would be getting the new style back... shiva's a nice sub but their power rating is below 500 i think... not that it couldnt handle 500, cuz im sure it can -Cody

05-05-2004, 12:39 AM	#9
97FordExp.XLT Polkie Member Sales Rating: (0) Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Montana Posts: 20	LOL, this is the replacement subwoofer I fried! This was a replacement from the Polk factory. I don't know why, if it was a recalled subwoofer, I got the recall and not a new series. Clearly they know which are the bad batch through serial numbers. I will look into the Shiva. I believe it's also linked with Brahma too.

05-05-2004, 02:12 AM	#10
exalted512 Polk Guru Member Sales Rating: (1) Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: College Station, TX Posts: 8,626	the brahma can be run at 500 watts--probably be best ported though theres a place...like soundfoundations.org or something...its not .com but they sell the 10" for 330 with free shipping and if you ever want to get a bigger amp...it handles 1600watts RMS can we say HOLY SH!T? lol -Cody

05-05-2004, 02:27 AM	#11
97FordExp.XLT Polkie Member Sales Rating: (0) Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Montana Posts: 20	well atleast it will be hard to blow up lol

05-05-2004, 02:02 PM	#12
Altec88 Guest Posts: n/a	Pheonix Gold Ti's VERY cheap right now, awesome subs for the money. Type R's also of course... Resonant engineering HC,SE there both cheap right now.... Elemental Designs K or O series would work for you also.... Try to stay away from polk....much better out there for the money.

05-06-2004, 12:16 AM	#16
exalted512 Polk Guru Member Sales Rating: (1) Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: College Station, TX Posts: 8,626	its this one: http://www.sound-foundations.us//cat...hp?cPath=22_23 really nice people to deal with the owner of it is a very active poster on www.caraudiotalk.com hes the one that has a signature with sound foundations on it -Cody

05-07-2004, 01:53 AM	#18
exalted512 Polk Guru Member Sales Rating: (1) Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: College Station, TX Posts: 8,626	while resonance engineering's XXX is more of an SPL sub than sq, it still maintains pretty good SQ ive never heard one personally, but id venture to say equal to that of the momo -Cody

05-07-2004, 01:56 AM	#19
neomagus00 Polk Expert Member Sales Rating: (0) Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 4,000	i was focusing more on the fact that it was a 15, but i was under the impression that XXX was a pure spl sub... his argument is now 1/2 point stronger

05-08-2004, 10:21 PM	#20
Altec88 Guest Posts: n/a	whoa whoa whoa....... The XXX is a SQL sub...It is one of the leading SQ drivers out there today....and it gets loud when you want it too If i'm ported i'm automatically a SPL person? That means nothing, many people prefer ported for SQ.....just cause its ported, it doesn't mean it sounds bad "while resonance engineering's XXX is more of an SPL sub than sq, it still maintains pretty good SQ ive never heard one personally, but id venture to say equal to that of the momo" The XXX should NEVER be compared to the momo in SQ, the momo is clearly out of the XXX's league. I prefer SQ over SPL.

05-10-2004, 11:32 AM	#22
neomagus00 Polk Expert Member Sales Rating: (0) Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 4,000	altec - i didn't know, which is why i asked. cody - maybe you can try them in both... make a good sealed and a properly tuned ported, then post results?

05-26-2004, 09:51 AM	#24
startzy Guest Posts: n/a	i know how ya feel man i blew my momo2124 and have to send it back but i dident really let it break in.i went for like a week then cranked it but it lasted preatty long.

06-08-2004, 02:45 AM	#25
Altec88 Guest Posts: n/a	Kicker all around is a great mid-level company. Amps are underated, and decently priced. There subs are nice also, from pure SPL subs to decent entry level subs. All well priced also. The L7's are the loudest sub for the dollar IMO.....

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